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Political opinions are not illegal to hold. Expressing them, maybe

by seydor 4y ago

johngladtj 4y ago
Only because without expression there is not yet a way to prove it
kypro 4y ago
This is incorrect. As an example simply reading ISIS content online can be enough to charge you with a terror offence (at least in the UK). https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41479620 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41479620 Edit: Although, I suppose you could define reading ISIS content as an expression of ISIS beliefs, so maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.
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- kurthr 4y ago
  Wow, the judge and prosecutor are terrorists, or do they have a "legitimate excuse" too?! To be fair, they're probably not brown so can't be the "bad" kind of terrorist. Still OMG, thought crime.
fnordpiglet 4y ago
“Whee” You’re free to have thoughts - for now.
- version_five 4y ago
  Not in the UK https://reason.com/2023/02/10/in-britain-you-can-be-arrested-for-silently-praying-outside-an-abortion-clinic/ https://reason.com/2023/02/10/in-britain-you-can-be-arrested...
throwaway049 4y ago
Expressing them definitely. I once saw a guy in London with a t-shirt that said "support the pkk", which the UK designated as a terrorist org at the time (maybe still) and so this support was a crime. Still, big difference between something being the law and someone actually getting charged with a crime.
908B64B197 4y ago
That's a pretty clear cut case of 1st amendment. What's interesting is to look at the political systems and constitutional protections the young, educated Europeans flock to: In a survey of scientists from 16 countries[0], the US is the top destination from 13 of the 15 others and the #2 choice from the other two. There's a constant influx of these young, educated entrepreneurs, engineers and innovators coming here to America and the Bay Area. It's not a new trend; back in the 20th century America became a refuge for scientists from Europe wanting to escape! [1] [2] I have to wonder what's Europe's end goal here... sure seems these measure won't help curb that brain drain. [0] http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/tech-careers/the-global-brain-trade http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/tech-careers/the-global-bra... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martians_(scientists) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martians_(scientists) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Grove https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Grove
StanislavPetrov 4y ago
>By sitting in the alcove, and keeping well back, Winston was able to remain outside the range of the telescreen, so far as sight went. He could be heard, of course, but so long as he stayed in his present position he could not be seen.

Political opinions are not illegal to hold. Expressing them, maybe

by seydor 4y ago

Political opinions are not illegal to hold. Expressing them, maybe

johngladtj 4y ago

Only because without expression there is not yet a way to prove it

kypro 4y ago

This is incorrect. As an example simply reading ISIS content online can be enough to charge you with a terror offence (at least in the UK). https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41479620 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41479620 Edit: Although, I suppose you could define reading ISIS content as an expression of ISIS beliefs, so maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.

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kurthr 4y ago
Wow, the judge and prosecutor are terrorists, or do they have a "legitimate excuse" too?! To be fair, they're probably not brown so can't be the "bad" kind of terrorist. Still OMG, thought crime.

fnordpiglet 4y ago

“Whee” You’re free to have thoughts - for now.

version_five 4y ago
Not in the UK https://reason.com/2023/02/10/in-britain-you-can-be-arrested-for-silently-praying-outside-an-abortion-clinic/ https://reason.com/2023/02/10/in-britain-you-can-be-arrested...

throwaway049 4y ago

Expressing them definitely. I once saw a guy in London with a t-shirt that said "support the pkk", which the UK designated as a terrorist org at the time (maybe still) and so this support was a crime. Still, big difference between something being the law and someone actually getting charged with a crime.

908B64B197 4y ago

That's a pretty clear cut case of 1st amendment. What's interesting is to look at the political systems and constitutional protections the young, educated Europeans flock to: In a survey of scientists from 16 countries[0], the US is the top destination from 13 of the 15 others and the #2 choice from the other two. There's a constant influx of these young, educated entrepreneurs, engineers and innovators coming here to America and the Bay Area. It's not a new trend; back in the 20th century America became a refuge for scientists from Europe wanting to escape! [1] [2] I have to wonder what's Europe's end goal here... sure seems these measure won't help curb that brain drain. [0] http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/tech-careers/the-global-brain-trade http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/tech-careers/the-global-bra... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martians_(scientists) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martians_(scientists) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Grove https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Grove

StanislavPetrov 4y ago

>By sitting in the alcove, and keeping well back, Winston was able to remain outside the range of the telescreen, so far as sight went. He could be heard, of course, but so long as he stayed in his present position he could not be seen.