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Another study published in Nature Medicine linked the sugar substitute erythritol to higher rates of heart attacks and strokes This study was discussed here la

Another study published in Nature Medicine linked the sugar substitute erythritol to higher rates of heart attacks and strokes This study was discussed here last week: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34965453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34965453 Two sweeteners in particular, saccharin and stevia, worsened the participants’ blood sugar control These are commonly-used; I wonder if my PCP will ever discuss / contact me in regards to this.

orangepurple 4y ago
Most doctors know and follow the "standard of care" which is excellent for treating acute symptoms and diseases. Doctors are generally terrible about dietary recommendations and knowing how to treat diseases of civilization.
- treeman79 4y ago
  I was having constant stroke symptoms. dozens of doctors in all specialities. One mentioned that I shouldn’t take triptans for migraines as it could trigger a stroke. Not a one mentioned anything else. Including 4 neurologists. Symptoms stopped the moment I went on blood thinners.
  - mixmastamyk 4y ago
    What symptoms? I didn’t think they were quickly reversible.
    - treeman79 4y ago
      Think 10% of usual functional to 50% in a few days of blood thinners. 4 years on and I’m probably at 80% now. Right side body weakness, numbness Severe Brain fog, visual issues, inability to write, etc. basically TIA symptoms, was having several a week. Damage was building up. Had a huge clot show up in lungs. A few days after starting blood thinners the worst of my symptoms stopped. Going off of them and they come back quickly. I have 2 known risk factors. So anything extra that contributes is a big issue.
      - mixmastamyk 4y ago
        IC thanks.
vanilla-almond 4y ago
The Washington Post article say: "Two sweeteners in particular, saccharin and stevia, worsened the participants’ blood sugar control" But the research paper from Cell says "Sucralose and saccharin supplementation impairs glycemic response in healthy adults." Stevia in the research paper is not stated as "impairs glycemic response". [1] Is the Washington Post article correct about the research paper findings? [1] https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(22)00919-9 https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(22)00919-9
loeg 4y ago
It isn't clear to me if that study makes any attempt to control for confounding variables. Like, maybe people that are already obese or suffering from heart disease are more likely to consume sugar substitutes? I haven't had time to read the original study and ctrl+F did not locate the phrase "3rd variable" or "confound[ing|er]:" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-023-02223-9.epdf https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-023-02223-9.epdf
- kubectl_h 4y ago
  Wet streets cause rain.
blue039 4y ago
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orangepurple 4y ago

Most doctors know and follow the "standard of care" which is excellent for treating acute symptoms and diseases. Doctors are generally terrible about dietary recommendations and knowing how to treat diseases of civilization.

treeman79 4y ago
I was having constant stroke symptoms. dozens of doctors in all specialities. One mentioned that I shouldn’t take triptans for migraines as it could trigger a stroke. Not a one mentioned anything else. Including 4 neurologists. Symptoms stopped the moment I went on blood thinners.
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  What symptoms? I didn’t think they were quickly reversible.
  - treeman79 4y ago
    Think 10% of usual functional to 50% in a few days of blood thinners. 4 years on and I’m probably at 80% now. Right side body weakness, numbness Severe Brain fog, visual issues, inability to write, etc. basically TIA symptoms, was having several a week. Damage was building up. Had a huge clot show up in lungs. A few days after starting blood thinners the worst of my symptoms stopped. Going off of them and they come back quickly. I have 2 known risk factors. So anything extra that contributes is a big issue.
    - mixmastamyk 4y ago
      IC thanks.

vanilla-almond 4y ago

The Washington Post article say: "Two sweeteners in particular, saccharin and stevia, worsened the participants’ blood sugar control" But the research paper from Cell says "Sucralose and saccharin supplementation impairs glycemic response in healthy adults." Stevia in the research paper is not stated as "impairs glycemic response". [1] Is the Washington Post article correct about the research paper findings? [1] https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(22)00919-9 https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(22)00919-9

loeg 4y ago

It isn't clear to me if that study makes any attempt to control for confounding variables. Like, maybe people that are already obese or suffering from heart disease are more likely to consume sugar substitutes? I haven't had time to read the original study and ctrl+F did not locate the phrase "3rd variable" or "confound[ing|er]:" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-023-02223-9.epdf https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-023-02223-9.epdf

kubectl_h 4y ago
Wet streets cause rain.

blue039 4y ago

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