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> there are many many places Can you please name 5 of those alternatives which pay as well as Facebook and yet are a better corp for the world?

Ancalagon 4y ago
Nit: they did say "pay well" not "pay as well". "Pay well" might mean less than Meta but still at a comfortable level, subjectively.
- RestlessMind 4y ago
  Okay, let's start with "pay well" then. Edit: I cannot reply to barbazoo so will edit here - you still haven't provided me 5 names who "pay well".
  - barbazoo 4y ago
    It obviously depends on where you live and what you consider good pay. I get that. Personally, being in the situation of earning >2x the median household income where I live, which is one of the HCOL areas in NA, I consider myself unimaginably lucky. But that level of income isn't uncommon here for senior devs.
  - layer8 4y ago
    You are not seriously claiming that there are less than 6 companies that “pay well”.
    - RestlessMind 4y ago
      I never claimed that. Just want to know the actual alternatives to test OP's claim about well-paying companies which don't make world shittier.
      - saberience 4y ago
        Could also go and work for a hedgefund, pays well or better than Meta and doesn't have a negative impact on the world.
        Ancalagon 4y ago
        That depends entirely what the hedgefund is investing in
  - Ancalagon 4y ago
    "Better corp for the world" is subjective. "Pay well" but maybe not quite as well as Meta, and for our purposes I am excluding other FAANGs (except Waymo, sort of I guess): - Roblox - LinkedIn - Robinhood - Databricks - Bytedance - Box - Stripe - Two Sigma - Lyft - Uber - Instacart - Cruise - Doordash - Waymo - Airbnb - Pinterest Companies which imo have a more positive impact on the world than Meta: - Waymo/Cruise (autonomous driving) - LinkedIn - close call, but a more professional social network with the intent of matching employers with employees and taking most of their profits from the advertising of those jobs without influencing global politics - Stripe - value comes from payments processing for companies big and small which is a valuable product in its own right - Lyft/Uber - close call again, but I think the disruption of the taxi industry and the additional options for transportation have really revolutionized how many people get around day-to-day.
    - RestlessMind 4y ago
      Thanks for answering the question honestly. Looking at that list, I can see only LinkedIn / Databricks / Box / Cruise / Waymo as qualifying for "not making the world shittier" criteria. But quitting Meta to go work for another variant of social media like Roblox / Bytedance / Pinterest? Or Airbnb / Uber / Lyft / Instacart with lots of negative externalities by exploiting labor arbitrage? That doesn't really make any sense.
      - Ancalagon 4y ago
        Sure, but that does answer your original ask. There are options, especially if you're willing to work for just slightly less (or in some cases you can still get a raise by switching) to work at a company that pays well and makes a more positive impact on the world.
        RestlessMind 4y ago
        > especially if you're willing to work for just slightly less Well, in that entire list, following are the companies who don't make the world shittier: LinkedIn / Stripe / Databricks / Box / Cruise. (I will omit Waymo because its parent is Alphabet, which fails shittiness criteria). Box stock is flat since 2015. Databricks / Stripe are private so no liquidity. So only LinkedIn qualifies for "slightly less pay but not shittier world". Though I agree that there is an option if someone wants.

Ancalagon 4y ago

Nit: they did say "pay well" not "pay as well". "Pay well" might mean less than Meta but still at a comfortable level, subjectively.

RestlessMind 4y ago
Okay, let's start with "pay well" then. Edit: I cannot reply to barbazoo so will edit here - you still haven't provided me 5 names who "pay well".
- barbazoo 4y ago
  It obviously depends on where you live and what you consider good pay. I get that. Personally, being in the situation of earning >2x the median household income where I live, which is one of the HCOL areas in NA, I consider myself unimaginably lucky. But that level of income isn't uncommon here for senior devs.
- layer8 4y ago
  You are not seriously claiming that there are less than 6 companies that “pay well”.
  - RestlessMind 4y ago
    I never claimed that. Just want to know the actual alternatives to test OP's claim about well-paying companies which don't make world shittier.
    - saberience 4y ago
      Could also go and work for a hedgefund, pays well or better than Meta and doesn't have a negative impact on the world.
      - Ancalagon 4y ago
        That depends entirely what the hedgefund is investing in
- Ancalagon 4y ago
  "Better corp for the world" is subjective. "Pay well" but maybe not quite as well as Meta, and for our purposes I am excluding other FAANGs (except Waymo, sort of I guess): - Roblox - LinkedIn - Robinhood - Databricks - Bytedance - Box - Stripe - Two Sigma - Lyft - Uber - Instacart - Cruise - Doordash - Waymo - Airbnb - Pinterest Companies which imo have a more positive impact on the world than Meta: - Waymo/Cruise (autonomous driving) - LinkedIn - close call, but a more professional social network with the intent of matching employers with employees and taking most of their profits from the advertising of those jobs without influencing global politics - Stripe - value comes from payments processing for companies big and small which is a valuable product in its own right - Lyft/Uber - close call again, but I think the disruption of the taxi industry and the additional options for transportation have really revolutionized how many people get around day-to-day.
  - RestlessMind 4y ago
    Thanks for answering the question honestly. Looking at that list, I can see only LinkedIn / Databricks / Box / Cruise / Waymo as qualifying for "not making the world shittier" criteria. But quitting Meta to go work for another variant of social media like Roblox / Bytedance / Pinterest? Or Airbnb / Uber / Lyft / Instacart with lots of negative externalities by exploiting labor arbitrage? That doesn't really make any sense.
    - Ancalagon 4y ago
      Sure, but that does answer your original ask. There are options, especially if you're willing to work for just slightly less (or in some cases you can still get a raise by switching) to work at a company that pays well and makes a more positive impact on the world.
      - RestlessMind 4y ago
        > especially if you're willing to work for just slightly less Well, in that entire list, following are the companies who don't make the world shittier: LinkedIn / Stripe / Databricks / Box / Cruise. (I will omit Waymo because its parent is Alphabet, which fails shittiness criteria). Box stock is flat since 2015. Databricks / Stripe are private so no liquidity. So only LinkedIn qualifies for "slightly less pay but not shittier world". Though I agree that there is an option if someone wants.