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I don't like this line of thought because people and nations are not perfectly logical. People and nations sabotage and act against their own best interests all

I don't like this line of thought because people and nations are not perfectly logical. People and nations sabotage and act against their own best interests all the time for dick measuring reasons. It still comes down to fallible humans making the decisions.

unmole 4y ago
So, we make up whatever narrative we want that aligns with our existing biases even when it makes no sense?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
  We don't make anything up. We try to stick to facts rather than psychoanalyze fallible, impulsive, irrational humans.
  - kubectl_h 4y ago
    The facts are that the two countries that stand to gain the most from blowing up the pipeline are the Ukraine and the United States. Russia has very little to gain.
    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
      The facts are that your account is 81 days old and you say, "the Ukraine". Given these facts someone might conclude that you're a shill. You could be, but it doesn't necessarily follow.
      - kubectl_h 4y ago
        This is an unhinged reply. Also people say "the Ukraine", so? And what would I be shilling? I'd suggest common sense, but the terminally online seem hungry for war and global conflict these days so they all seem to be checking that at the door.
  - unmole 4y ago
    Facts like these? > It must be some Russian separatist groups in Ukraine pretending to be pro-Ukraine had sabotaged the pipelines. We are in the midst of another disinformation campaign by Russia.
croes 4y ago
You mean like a pro Ukrainian group blowing up the pipeline and risking losing western partners?
vintermann 4y ago
In general, I agree! But there's limits. We can't even come up with a stupid thing that Putin would have believed, for this to make sense on his own terms. Then there's the question of capability. We're supposed to believe they do extremely stupid things, but also do it with such superhuman competence that we don't have a clue afterwards.

unmole 4y ago

So, we make up whatever narrative we want that aligns with our existing biases even when it makes no sense?

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
We don't make anything up. We try to stick to facts rather than psychoanalyze fallible, impulsive, irrational humans.
- kubectl_h 4y ago
  The facts are that the two countries that stand to gain the most from blowing up the pipeline are the Ukraine and the United States. Russia has very little to gain.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
    The facts are that your account is 81 days old and you say, "the Ukraine". Given these facts someone might conclude that you're a shill. You could be, but it doesn't necessarily follow.
    - kubectl_h 4y ago
      This is an unhinged reply. Also people say "the Ukraine", so? And what would I be shilling? I'd suggest common sense, but the terminally online seem hungry for war and global conflict these days so they all seem to be checking that at the door.
- unmole 4y ago
  Facts like these? > It must be some Russian separatist groups in Ukraine pretending to be pro-Ukraine had sabotaged the pipelines. We are in the midst of another disinformation campaign by Russia.

croes 4y ago

You mean like a pro Ukrainian group blowing up the pipeline and risking losing western partners?

vintermann 4y ago

In general, I agree! But there's limits. We can't even come up with a stupid thing that Putin would have believed, for this to make sense on his own terms. Then there's the question of capability. We're supposed to believe they do extremely stupid things, but also do it with such superhuman competence that we don't have a clue afterwards.