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I'm a little confused here. You say being in the US without permission is not a crime. But that means you crossed a border illegally to get here which is in f

I'm a little confused here. You say being in the US without permission is not a crime. But that means you crossed a border illegally to get here which is in fact more than a non-criminal civil case. It is stated in the first paragraph. "for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both." You don't go to jail for civil cases. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

marcusverus 4y ago
He's playing word games by pretending that an edge case is the general case. If you come over as an adult, you have committed a crime. Most illegal immigrants fall into his category. If you come over as a child, you lacked agency to commit a crime, and your continued presence in the country is not a crime.
- keneda7 4y ago
  Ah that makes sense. Thank you for explaining.
rocket_surgeron 4y ago
> But that means you crossed a border illegally to get here which is in fact more than a non-criminal civil case. It does not. For the last 20 or so years, the majority of persons entering the United States without authorization entered legally on a visa or visa waiver and then overstayed their allotted time. Of the remaining, many of those are asylum seekers and it is explicitly legal to enter the United States by any means possible for the purpose of seeking asylum. >Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival... https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid%3AUSC-prelim-title8-section1158&num=0&edition=prelim https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid%3AUSC-prel...
- keneda7 4y ago
  No you are just straight up lying now. If a person entered the country with a visa or visa waiver and overstayed their welcome then they entered the country legally. The vast majority of person enter the US without authorization are not the ones enter the US legally because they in fact have authorization. All of the ones entering the county without authorizations are the ones that do not have a visa or visa wavier or asylum and hence entered illegally and broke the law. Your ridiculous claim because you are not arguing in good faith at all and will most likely edit your post: "For the last 20 or so years, the majority of persons entering the United States without authorization entered legally on a visa or visa waiver and then overstayed their allotted time." Also the asylum number (in 2022 25k admitted, 89,461 added to the wait list, 750k on the waitlist from all of time) is currently way lower than the 2.76 million caught illegally crossing last year. Seems like way way more people try to illegally enter. https://www.google.com/search?q=number+of+asylum+seeker+in+us+2022 https://www.google.com/search?q=number+of+asylum+seeker+in+u... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-crossings-fiscal-year-2022-topped-276-million-breaking-rcna53517 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-... I will give you some people could be in the US without have entering illegally but that is not what you claimed. You left off the word some in your statement.

marcusverus 4y ago

He's playing word games by pretending that an edge case is the general case. If you come over as an adult, you have committed a crime. Most illegal immigrants fall into his category. If you come over as a child, you lacked agency to commit a crime, and your continued presence in the country is not a crime.

keneda7 4y ago
Ah that makes sense. Thank you for explaining.

rocket_surgeron 4y ago

> But that means you crossed a border illegally to get here which is in fact more than a non-criminal civil case. It does not. For the last 20 or so years, the majority of persons entering the United States without authorization entered legally on a visa or visa waiver and then overstayed their allotted time. Of the remaining, many of those are asylum seekers and it is explicitly legal to enter the United States by any means possible for the purpose of seeking asylum. >Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival... https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid%3AUSC-prelim-title8-section1158&num=0&edition=prelim https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid%3AUSC-prel...

keneda7 4y ago
No you are just straight up lying now. If a person entered the country with a visa or visa waiver and overstayed their welcome then they entered the country legally. The vast majority of person enter the US without authorization are not the ones enter the US legally because they in fact have authorization. All of the ones entering the county without authorizations are the ones that do not have a visa or visa wavier or asylum and hence entered illegally and broke the law. Your ridiculous claim because you are not arguing in good faith at all and will most likely edit your post: "For the last 20 or so years, the majority of persons entering the United States without authorization entered legally on a visa or visa waiver and then overstayed their allotted time." Also the asylum number (in 2022 25k admitted, 89,461 added to the wait list, 750k on the waitlist from all of time) is currently way lower than the 2.76 million caught illegally crossing last year. Seems like way way more people try to illegally enter. https://www.google.com/search?q=number+of+asylum+seeker+in+us+2022 https://www.google.com/search?q=number+of+asylum+seeker+in+u... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-crossings-fiscal-year-2022-topped-276-million-breaking-rcna53517 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrant-border-... I will give you some people could be in the US without have entering illegally but that is not what you claimed. You left off the word some in your statement.