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I remember seeing some danish users here on HN saying that they trust their government, and that surveillance only helps to optimize their taxes. Well let's se

I remember seeing some danish users here on HN saying that they trust their government, and that surveillance only helps to optimize their taxes. Well let's see how long that trust lasts, it certainly didn't last in Europe[1] 1. https://www.dw.com/en/danish-secret-service-helped-us-spy-on-germanys-angela-merkel-report/a-57721901 https://www.dw.com/en/danish-secret-service-helped-us-spy-on...

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
What does this have to do with Danish welfare? Allies also spy on each other to make sure they're still on the same team and not dealing under the table with non-friendlies. The weren't spying on average joe citizens, but on high ranking politicians and weapons manufacturers. When you're in a military alliance with them you want to know what those parties are really up to.
- jacooper 4y ago
  > What does this have to do with Danish welfare? I meant that the government isn't particularly trustworthy, so they will spy on everyone. They did it on their allies, they will do it on their own citizens and use it against them too. > Allies also spy on each other to make sure they're still on the same team and not dealing under the table with non-friendlies. The weren't spying on average joe citizens, but on high ranking politicians and weapons manufacturers. I doubt your reaction would be the same if it was Germany spying on the US.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >I doubt your reaction would be the same if it was Germany spying on the US. I'm not American but European and I support US spying on German politicians if it means keeping them in check from their ties and dependency they had with Russia till recently, since we're all in this political alliance called the EU and in this military alliance called NATO, and if German politicians decide to do some dumb shit, if affects us all in a big way as Germany is Europe's biggest economy so if they sneeze we all catch a cold. US and allies warned Germany repeatedly over their overdependence on Russian gas and Germany said "nah mate, it'll be fine". As a high ranking politician you wave your right to privacy when entering office and being handed insane amounts of power, so expect to be spied on. "Trust but verify" should be the norm for them.
    - jacooper 4y ago
      Why are you treating america as an absolutely good side here? You know that there is no way that america wants good for the EU right? Also no, politicians definitely have right to privacy, otherwise they would've made all their plans in public.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

What does this have to do with Danish welfare? Allies also spy on each other to make sure they're still on the same team and not dealing under the table with non-friendlies. The weren't spying on average joe citizens, but on high ranking politicians and weapons manufacturers. When you're in a military alliance with them you want to know what those parties are really up to.

jacooper 4y ago
> What does this have to do with Danish welfare? I meant that the government isn't particularly trustworthy, so they will spy on everyone. They did it on their allies, they will do it on their own citizens and use it against them too. > Allies also spy on each other to make sure they're still on the same team and not dealing under the table with non-friendlies. The weren't spying on average joe citizens, but on high ranking politicians and weapons manufacturers. I doubt your reaction would be the same if it was Germany spying on the US.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >I doubt your reaction would be the same if it was Germany spying on the US. I'm not American but European and I support US spying on German politicians if it means keeping them in check from their ties and dependency they had with Russia till recently, since we're all in this political alliance called the EU and in this military alliance called NATO, and if German politicians decide to do some dumb shit, if affects us all in a big way as Germany is Europe's biggest economy so if they sneeze we all catch a cold. US and allies warned Germany repeatedly over their overdependence on Russian gas and Germany said "nah mate, it'll be fine". As a high ranking politician you wave your right to privacy when entering office and being handed insane amounts of power, so expect to be spied on. "Trust but verify" should be the norm for them.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    Why are you treating america as an absolutely good side here? You know that there is no way that america wants good for the EU right? Also no, politicians definitely have right to privacy, otherwise they would've made all their plans in public.