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More often, to save $150 for a PCP visit. Nobody is ordering black market viagra/cialis because they can't find a doctor who will prescribe it. It's because the

More often, to save $150 for a PCP visit. Nobody is ordering black market viagra/cialis because they can't find a doctor who will prescribe it. It's because they can't visit any doctor. Or it's tacked onto another order. For example, Asmanex is $400/mo under my insurance, or I can order another inhaler with the same active ingredient from India for $10. Then I'd likely just put in another $10 of viagra/cialis because why not. Most likely, men are just adding non-FDA approved viagra/cialis to their actual international medication orders "because why not".

seanw444 4y ago
I think parent was referring to it being embarrassing.
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  Viagra is often abused in combination with alcohol or opiods (this may be the more boring codeine type abuse, not meth, etc) since it can allow you to have an erection when your body might not normally allow. Thus if you are at a house party, consuming drugs and intend to get laid, you need to have viagra. Smarter drug dealers include viagra as an addon to "party packages" for an upcharge. For obvious reasons it is desirable to buy in bulk.
JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago
> > It's because they can't visit any doctor It's because people rightfully don't want to go to a doctor when they want to have a good time. UAE and UK have Viagra/Cialis availible OTC. Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece is de-facto OTC (you can go to a pharmacy with an A4 blank piece of paper and 'be your own doctor' by writing in what you need by hand and signing it off still as 'your own doctor' with a fantasy name and a cool autograph). In the Land of the Free you have to go through all sorts of BS if you want to try how does it feel to do it 7 times in a night. Even recreational use is very low risk, not to mention people will do the 7 times/night things a bunch of sessions , cross it from their bucket list and they'd move on with the next item on the list.
- jaclaz 4y ago
  >Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece is de-facto OTC (you can go to a pharmacy with an A4 blank piece of paper and 'be your own doctor' by writing in what you need by hand and signing it off still as 'your own doctor' with a fantasy name and a cool autograph). Cannot say in the other countries, but in Italy you definitely cannot do that, the pharmacist wants a valid prescription (usually by a known MD, you may have even issues in getting some medicines with a valid prescription signed by a doctor in another city/region). It is the first time that I hear about "invented" prescriptions, though probably making fake ones is not difficult.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago
    > > Cannot say in the other countries, but in Italy you definitely cannot do that, the pharmacist wants a valid prescription (usually by a known MD, you may have even issues in getting some medicines with a valid prescription signed by a doctor in another city/region). My experience was always that if you begged for something without prescription it was always a no go, as soon as you have a semi-valid piece of white paper with maybe some intestation etc. then you don't even have to beg
    - jaclaz 4y ago
      That: >semi-valid piece of white paper with maybe some intestation is more like a fake prescription, and doesn't sound like: >A4 blank piece of paper and 'be your own doctor' by writing in what you need by hand and signing it off still as 'your own doctor' with a fantasy name and a cool autograph It may depend on the specific medicine you needed/wanted, and of course there may be more or less strict pharmacists, but you won't normally get any non-OTC medicines without a proper prescription in Italy.
      - JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago
        > > is more like a fake prescription, and doesn't sound like: So the 'fake' treshold for you would be surpassed by the act of using a PC and a printer, whereas the 'writing what you need and signing off with a cool authograph' doesn't get you over the line? In any event, just semantics compared to what is going on in the US, Germany, The Netherlands and essentially de-facto the same scenario as the UK and the UAE (at least for people who are not extremely poor or unable to use Word.
pills_throwaway 4y ago
I'm in Europe and I order tadalafil by mail from shady websites because: 1) Getting it from the pharmacy (with prescription) is too expensive, about 3x what I pay when ordering online. And this is for a generic, Cialis is not even available. 2) I can get at most 80mg in one visit to pharmacy, and need to visit a doctor for prescription renewal after 5 visits to pharmacy. All that for the privilege of paying through the nose for a generic, widely available medication.
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  What kind of lab testing or purity promises do online sellers tend to make? Is lab paperwork common? Do they list country of origin?
  - pills_throwaway 4y ago
    No lab testing or paperwork, they often just resell generics from India. Luckily, the quality seems to be good but I had no guarantees when first trying it.
- throwaway_ed 4y ago
  Same here, especially reason 2. I basically need it permanently, one 10 mg pill every 2-3 days. I wouldn't even mind paying through the nose to get it from less shady sources, I understand quality control is important and can have a cost. But for some reason pharmacies only sell boxes of 8 pills, and IIRC in my country (Spain) you can use the prescription only 5 or 6 times. So I would basically need to go to the doctor every 2-3 months. It's not that I can't go, free healthcare works fine here, but I'm a busy person. I just don't want to waste time going to the doctor 5 or 6 times a year for something that I already know I need. Plus, the chance of meeting people at the clinic and getting ashamed inventing some excuse 5 or 6 times a year. The fact that on the shady sites I can get it literally 4x cheaper (not an hyperbole) just makes the decision even clearer. Unfortunately, the customs here are also getting progressively more annoying. My last order was intercepted.
willcipriano 4y ago
I have piles of Viagra from ordering inhalers online, they give it away for free with my orders.

seanw444 4y ago

I think parent was referring to it being embarrassing.

vorpalhex 4y ago
Viagra is often abused in combination with alcohol or opiods (this may be the more boring codeine type abuse, not meth, etc) since it can allow you to have an erection when your body might not normally allow. Thus if you are at a house party, consuming drugs and intend to get laid, you need to have viagra. Smarter drug dealers include viagra as an addon to "party packages" for an upcharge. For obvious reasons it is desirable to buy in bulk.

JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago

> > It's because they can't visit any doctor It's because people rightfully don't want to go to a doctor when they want to have a good time. UAE and UK have Viagra/Cialis availible OTC. Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece is de-facto OTC (you can go to a pharmacy with an A4 blank piece of paper and 'be your own doctor' by writing in what you need by hand and signing it off still as 'your own doctor' with a fantasy name and a cool autograph). In the Land of the Free you have to go through all sorts of BS if you want to try how does it feel to do it 7 times in a night. Even recreational use is very low risk, not to mention people will do the 7 times/night things a bunch of sessions , cross it from their bucket list and they'd move on with the next item on the list.

jaclaz 4y ago
>Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece is de-facto OTC (you can go to a pharmacy with an A4 blank piece of paper and 'be your own doctor' by writing in what you need by hand and signing it off still as 'your own doctor' with a fantasy name and a cool autograph). Cannot say in the other countries, but in Italy you definitely cannot do that, the pharmacist wants a valid prescription (usually by a known MD, you may have even issues in getting some medicines with a valid prescription signed by a doctor in another city/region). It is the first time that I hear about "invented" prescriptions, though probably making fake ones is not difficult.
- JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago
  > > Cannot say in the other countries, but in Italy you definitely cannot do that, the pharmacist wants a valid prescription (usually by a known MD, you may have even issues in getting some medicines with a valid prescription signed by a doctor in another city/region). My experience was always that if you begged for something without prescription it was always a no go, as soon as you have a semi-valid piece of white paper with maybe some intestation etc. then you don't even have to beg
  - jaclaz 4y ago
    That: >semi-valid piece of white paper with maybe some intestation is more like a fake prescription, and doesn't sound like: >A4 blank piece of paper and 'be your own doctor' by writing in what you need by hand and signing it off still as 'your own doctor' with a fantasy name and a cool autograph It may depend on the specific medicine you needed/wanted, and of course there may be more or less strict pharmacists, but you won't normally get any non-OTC medicines without a proper prescription in Italy.
    - JumpinJack_Cash 4y ago
      > > is more like a fake prescription, and doesn't sound like: So the 'fake' treshold for you would be surpassed by the act of using a PC and a printer, whereas the 'writing what you need and signing off with a cool authograph' doesn't get you over the line? In any event, just semantics compared to what is going on in the US, Germany, The Netherlands and essentially de-facto the same scenario as the UK and the UAE (at least for people who are not extremely poor or unable to use Word.

pills_throwaway 4y ago

I'm in Europe and I order tadalafil by mail from shady websites because: 1) Getting it from the pharmacy (with prescription) is too expensive, about 3x what I pay when ordering online. And this is for a generic, Cialis is not even available. 2) I can get at most 80mg in one visit to pharmacy, and need to visit a doctor for prescription renewal after 5 visits to pharmacy. All that for the privilege of paying through the nose for a generic, widely available medication.

vorpalhex 4y ago
What kind of lab testing or purity promises do online sellers tend to make? Is lab paperwork common? Do they list country of origin?
- pills_throwaway 4y ago
  No lab testing or paperwork, they often just resell generics from India. Luckily, the quality seems to be good but I had no guarantees when first trying it.
throwaway_ed 4y ago
Same here, especially reason 2. I basically need it permanently, one 10 mg pill every 2-3 days. I wouldn't even mind paying through the nose to get it from less shady sources, I understand quality control is important and can have a cost. But for some reason pharmacies only sell boxes of 8 pills, and IIRC in my country (Spain) you can use the prescription only 5 or 6 times. So I would basically need to go to the doctor every 2-3 months. It's not that I can't go, free healthcare works fine here, but I'm a busy person. I just don't want to waste time going to the doctor 5 or 6 times a year for something that I already know I need. Plus, the chance of meeting people at the clinic and getting ashamed inventing some excuse 5 or 6 times a year. The fact that on the shady sites I can get it literally 4x cheaper (not an hyperbole) just makes the decision even clearer. Unfortunately, the customs here are also getting progressively more annoying. My last order was intercepted.

willcipriano 4y ago

I have piles of Viagra from ordering inhalers online, they give it away for free with my orders.