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> NATO recognized the independence of the separatist regions and then had them invite NATO to assist them militarily. This is precisely what Russia did. NATO li

> NATO recognized the independence of the separatist regions and then had them invite NATO to assist them militarily. This is precisely what Russia did. NATO literally established the precedent here. How is that remotely comparable when there were zero the separatists movements in the Kherson and Zaphorizia Oblasts before Russia invaded those regions? Yet Russia declared them independent anyhow, and then annexed four Oblasts, which was Russia's original goal in the first place. Will you condemn Russia for all that? If not, we have nothing left to discuss.

yogthos 4y ago
You're doing historical revisionism here. US ran a coup in Ukraine to overthrow a democratically elected government in 2014. This resulted in a civil war between Donbas and western Ukraine. All this has been extensively documented in mainstream western media. It's pretty shocking that you appear to be utterly unaware of this. https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Ukraines-2014-revolution-was-due-to-a-CIA-coup https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Uk... (https://archive.ph/BAxYc https://archive.ph/BAxYc) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/ https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-rus... https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/ https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escal... If you won't acknowledge that what Russia is doing in Ukraine is precisely what NATO was doing in Yugoslavia then there really isn't anything left to discuss. I'll just leave you with this quote from NATO during the war in Yugoslavia: If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO’s five conditions and we will stop this campaign. https://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990525b.htm https://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990525b.htm
- mopsi 4y ago
  > You're doing historical revisionism here. US ran a coup in Ukraine to overthrow a democratically elected government in 2014. This resulted in a civil war between Donbas and western Ukraine Says who? How many UN members out of 193 hold this position? My latest count is that this view is held by only 3 UN members out of 193: Russia, Syria, North Korea. The list speaks for itself.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
  I have found this article to be a good debunker on the above "coup" talking point: https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-in-2014-and-since-then/ https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-i...

yogthos 4y ago

You're doing historical revisionism here. US ran a coup in Ukraine to overthrow a democratically elected government in 2014. This resulted in a civil war between Donbas and western Ukraine. All this has been extensively documented in mainstream western media. It's pretty shocking that you appear to be utterly unaware of this. https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Ukraines-2014-revolution-was-due-to-a-CIA-coup https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Uk... (https://archive.ph/BAxYc https://archive.ph/BAxYc) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/ https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-rus... https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/ https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escal... If you won't acknowledge that what Russia is doing in Ukraine is precisely what NATO was doing in Yugoslavia then there really isn't anything left to discuss. I'll just leave you with this quote from NATO during the war in Yugoslavia: If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO’s five conditions and we will stop this campaign. https://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990525b.htm https://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990525b.htm

mopsi 4y ago
> You're doing historical revisionism here. US ran a coup in Ukraine to overthrow a democratically elected government in 2014. This resulted in a civil war between Donbas and western Ukraine Says who? How many UN members out of 193 hold this position? My latest count is that this view is held by only 3 UN members out of 193: Russia, Syria, North Korea. The list speaks for itself.
SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
I have found this article to be a good debunker on the above "coup" talking point: https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-in-2014-and-since-then/ https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-i...