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Sorry but no. The root of the issue is: "The perception of widespread welfare fraud has empowered Jacobsen to establish one of the most sophisticated and far-re

by Loic 4y ago

Sorry but no. The root of the issue is: "The perception of widespread welfare fraud has empowered Jacobsen to establish one of the most sophisticated and far-reaching fraud detection systems in the world." Please note the clear wording: "The perception ...". The far-right/populist in the EU is very good at using such perception to increase surveillance and control.

mytailorisrich 4y ago
Where does this perception come from? And why has it become such an issue? Again it is largely because large numbers of immigrants have a destabilising effect on society, which fuels resentment and at least the perception that the national welfare system is being too generous and abused by immigrants, which in turn leads to politicians calling for more restrictions and controls, etc. It's the same across Europe and it's not helpful to blame the far right for this. The far right only uses existing concerns to its advantage like all political parties do, especially when other parties sometimes refuse to acknowledge those concerns.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > Where does this perception come from? From the same folks who benefit from that perception. > The far right only uses existing concerns No, they're happy to invent/exaggerate concerns. (As, to be clear, are other parts of the political spectrum.)
  - Spivak 4y ago
    Yeah, you can't turn on the news for two seconds in the US without "Can you believe that thing that doesn't happen could be happening in your community? Here today is senior speculative analyst and lead fearcaster at The America is Great Heritage Foundadtion."
- rob74 4y ago
  So large numbers of immigrants have a destabilizing effect on society because of far right populists amplifying the perception that immigrants are abusing the welfare system? Tying to use existing concerns to their advantage even if the concern is mostly or totally fictitious might be successful, but is not responsible politics. Remember QAnon?
  - mytailorisrich 4y ago
    > So large numbers of immigrants have a destabilizing effect on society They do and that is plain to see across Europe. That's an observation. Burying your head in the sand only makes things worse and actually plays into the far right's hands, like also calling people names (eg. labeling them racist or xenophobic) because they have concerns, which can be valid. Certainly, asylum laws and procedures are being abused, that is not perception. For instance here in the UK there are apparently 23,000 pending asylum applications made by... Albanian citizens. So clearly migrants have realised that claiming asylum currently immediately stops them from being treated as 'illegal immigrants' and allows them to stay while their application is pending... And the situation looks similar across Europe.
bt4u 4y ago
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by Loic 4y ago

mytailorisrich 4y ago

Where does this perception come from? And why has it become such an issue? Again it is largely because large numbers of immigrants have a destabilising effect on society, which fuels resentment and at least the perception that the national welfare system is being too generous and abused by immigrants, which in turn leads to politicians calling for more restrictions and controls, etc. It's the same across Europe and it's not helpful to blame the far right for this. The far right only uses existing concerns to its advantage like all political parties do, especially when other parties sometimes refuse to acknowledge those concerns.

ceejayoz 4y ago
> Where does this perception come from? From the same folks who benefit from that perception. > The far right only uses existing concerns No, they're happy to invent/exaggerate concerns. (As, to be clear, are other parts of the political spectrum.)
- Spivak 4y ago
  Yeah, you can't turn on the news for two seconds in the US without "Can you believe that thing that doesn't happen could be happening in your community? Here today is senior speculative analyst and lead fearcaster at The America is Great Heritage Foundadtion."
rob74 4y ago
So large numbers of immigrants have a destabilizing effect on society because of far right populists amplifying the perception that immigrants are abusing the welfare system? Tying to use existing concerns to their advantage even if the concern is mostly or totally fictitious might be successful, but is not responsible politics. Remember QAnon?
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  > So large numbers of immigrants have a destabilizing effect on society They do and that is plain to see across Europe. That's an observation. Burying your head in the sand only makes things worse and actually plays into the far right's hands, like also calling people names (eg. labeling them racist or xenophobic) because they have concerns, which can be valid. Certainly, asylum laws and procedures are being abused, that is not perception. For instance here in the UK there are apparently 23,000 pending asylum applications made by... Albanian citizens. So clearly migrants have realised that claiming asylum currently immediately stops them from being treated as 'illegal immigrants' and allows them to stay while their application is pending... And the situation looks similar across Europe.

bt4u 4y ago

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