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First, you might not be aware of this, but vast majority of the world takes a contrary position to the west on the war in Ukraine: https://ecfr.eu/publication/

First, you might not be aware of this, but vast majority of the world takes a contrary position to the west on the war in Ukraine: https://ecfr.eu/publication/united-west-divided-from-the-rest-global-public-opinion-one-year-into-russias-war-on-ukraine/ https://ecfr.eu/publication/united-west-divided-from-the-res... https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/02/27/the-global-south-refuses-pressure-to-side-with-the-west-on-russia/ https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/02/27/the-global-south-ref... https://usrussiaaccord.org/acura-viewpoint-krishen-mehta-the-ukraine-war-viewed-from-the-global-south/ https://usrussiaaccord.org/acura-viewpoint-krishen-mehta-the... https://archive.is/2023.02.23-211202/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/02/23/world/russia-ukraine-geopolitics.html https://archive.is/2023.02.23-211202/https://www.nytimes.com... https://archive.ph/4kbWG https://archive.ph/4kbWG Second, China released a position paper where they make their position on Ukraine pretty clear. I encourage you to read it https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/zxxx_662805/202302/t20230224_11030713.html https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/zxxx_662805/202302/t2023022... >I wish for the status quo and peace between China and Taiwan for as long as is practically possible. Literally the only reason there is tension is because US is interfering in internal affairs of a country half way across the world from it. Finally, what Russia is doing in Ukraine is literally modelled on what US and NATO did in Yugoslavia. Following the exact same rationale. NATO recognized the independence of the separatist regions and then had them invite NATO to assist them militarily. This is precisely what Russia did. NATO literally established the precedent here.

infamia 4y ago
> NATO recognized the independence of the separatist regions and then had them invite NATO to assist them militarily. This is precisely what Russia did. NATO literally established the precedent here. How is that remotely comparable when there were zero the separatists movements in the Kherson and Zaphorizia Oblasts before Russia invaded those regions? Yet Russia declared them independent anyhow, and then annexed four Oblasts, which was Russia's original goal in the first place. Will you condemn Russia for all that? If not, we have nothing left to discuss.
- yogthos 4y ago
  You're doing historical revisionism here. US ran a coup in Ukraine to overthrow a democratically elected government in 2014. This resulted in a civil war between Donbas and western Ukraine. All this has been extensively documented in mainstream western media. It's pretty shocking that you appear to be utterly unaware of this. https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Ukraines-2014-revolution-was-due-to-a-CIA-coup https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Uk... (https://archive.ph/BAxYc https://archive.ph/BAxYc) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/ https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-rus... https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/ https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escal... If you won't acknowledge that what Russia is doing in Ukraine is precisely what NATO was doing in Yugoslavia then there really isn't anything left to discuss. I'll just leave you with this quote from NATO during the war in Yugoslavia: If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO’s five conditions and we will stop this campaign. https://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990525b.htm https://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990525b.htm
  - mopsi 4y ago
    > You're doing historical revisionism here. US ran a coup in Ukraine to overthrow a democratically elected government in 2014. This resulted in a civil war between Donbas and western Ukraine Says who? How many UN members out of 193 hold this position? My latest count is that this view is held by only 3 UN members out of 193: Russia, Syria, North Korea. The list speaks for itself.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
    I have found this article to be a good debunker on the above "coup" talking point: https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-in-2014-and-since-then/ https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-i...
SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
> vast majority of the world takes a contrary position to the west on the war in Ukraine Could you define what you mean by "vast majority" here? What I'm seeing is: March 2022: "The United Nations General Assembly on Wednesday overwhelmingly voted to reprimand Russia for invading Ukraine and demanded that Moscow stop fighting and withdraw its military forces, an action that aims to diplomatically isolate Russia at the world body. The resolution, supported by 141 of the assembly's 193 members" https://www.reuters.com/world/un-general-assembly-set-censure-russia-over-ukraine-invasion-2022-03-02/ https://www.reuters.com/world/un-general-assembly-set-censur... March 2023: "With a thumping majority of 141 in favour, only 7 against and 32 abstentions, the assembly again issued a non-binding resolution demanding Russia's military withdrawal from Ukraine and calling for a "comprehensive, just and lasting peace". https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/2517499/un-slams-russia-but-war-slogs-on https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/2517499/un-slams... It seems disingenuous to leave it at "vast majority of the world"

infamia 4y ago

> NATO recognized the independence of the separatist regions and then had them invite NATO to assist them militarily. This is precisely what Russia did. NATO literally established the precedent here. How is that remotely comparable when there were zero the separatists movements in the Kherson and Zaphorizia Oblasts before Russia invaded those regions? Yet Russia declared them independent anyhow, and then annexed four Oblasts, which was Russia's original goal in the first place. Will you condemn Russia for all that? If not, we have nothing left to discuss.

yogthos 4y ago
You're doing historical revisionism here. US ran a coup in Ukraine to overthrow a democratically elected government in 2014. This resulted in a civil war between Donbas and western Ukraine. All this has been extensively documented in mainstream western media. It's pretty shocking that you appear to be utterly unaware of this. https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Ukraines-2014-revolution-was-due-to-a-CIA-coup https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Uk... (https://archive.ph/BAxYc https://archive.ph/BAxYc) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/ https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-rus... https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/ https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escal... If you won't acknowledge that what Russia is doing in Ukraine is precisely what NATO was doing in Yugoslavia then there really isn't anything left to discuss. I'll just leave you with this quote from NATO during the war in Yugoslavia: If President Milosevic really wants all of his population to have water and electricity all he has to do is accept NATO’s five conditions and we will stop this campaign. https://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990525b.htm https://www.nato.int/kosovo/press/p990525b.htm
- mopsi 4y ago
  > You're doing historical revisionism here. US ran a coup in Ukraine to overthrow a democratically elected government in 2014. This resulted in a civil war between Donbas and western Ukraine Says who? How many UN members out of 193 hold this position? My latest count is that this view is held by only 3 UN members out of 193: Russia, Syria, North Korea. The list speaks for itself.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
  I have found this article to be a good debunker on the above "coup" talking point: https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-in-2014-and-since-then/ https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-i...

SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago

> vast majority of the world takes a contrary position to the west on the war in Ukraine Could you define what you mean by "vast majority" here? What I'm seeing is: March 2022: "The United Nations General Assembly on Wednesday overwhelmingly voted to reprimand Russia for invading Ukraine and demanded that Moscow stop fighting and withdraw its military forces, an action that aims to diplomatically isolate Russia at the world body. The resolution, supported by 141 of the assembly's 193 members" https://www.reuters.com/world/un-general-assembly-set-censure-russia-over-ukraine-invasion-2022-03-02/ https://www.reuters.com/world/un-general-assembly-set-censur... March 2023: "With a thumping majority of 141 in favour, only 7 against and 32 abstentions, the assembly again issued a non-binding resolution demanding Russia's military withdrawal from Ukraine and calling for a "comprehensive, just and lasting peace". https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/2517499/un-slams-russia-but-war-slogs-on https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/2517499/un-slams... It seems disingenuous to leave it at "vast majority of the world"