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Worker asks Elon Musk on Twitter: Have I been fired?

71 points by concerto 4y ago

senttoschool 4y ago
I know a lot of people like Elon in real life. Not nearly as successful. But the traits are similar: - Disorganized - Takes a lot of risks - Flexible in decisions - Makes decisions on a whim without thinking through consequences - Makes bold plans without knowing exactly how to do it - Analytical - Loves science, history, tech, memes The same traits that allow him to be so successful are also traits that make him chaotic. If anyone subscribes to Myers Briggs, then Elon is a classic INTP. Some of my good friends are also INTP. I enjoy working with them a lot. But if they ever do the leading, expect chaos but you'll be working on something cool.
- CJefferson 4y ago
  Elon is only INTP if INTP means "horrible person" (I'd use much stronger words if I thought it wouldn't get me blocked). Someone who has worked hard is just trying to find out if they are employed. There is a massive power imbalance -- probably one of the largest power embalances two people on Earth can have, and all Elon can do is answer with memes, emojis and slander (Elon's latest tweet on the issue is "The reality is that this guy (who is independently wealthy) did no actual work, claimed as his excuse that he had a disability that prevented him from typing, yet was simultaneously tweeting up a storm. "). Given Elon's previous experiences with insulting people he doesn't like, I'm not going to believe that without some independant evidence.
  - nivertech 4y ago
    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1633011448459964417 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1633011448459964417
    - DaedPsyker 4y ago
      What is more disappointing to me is the amount of general unpleasant comments under this tweet. I know there will be a bias in that this will be mostly those that follow him but even still, it doesn't give me much hope.
      - rsynnott 4y ago
        Mentioned it before, but I think that to a lot of his fans Musk has become a sort of L Ron Hubbard figure; they see him as literally infallible, so they shoulder through the cognitive dissonance and go along with this stuff. If Dear Leader says it, it must be so. It’s pretty remarkable, really. Even the Jobs people were able to acknowledge that Apple was not perfect, generally.
  - yashg 4y ago
    Elon Musk is a horrible person. Period.
  - rsynnott 4y ago
    Bloody hell, even by Magic Car Man standards, this isn't great. I'm not sure what he's actually going for here? He's clearly desperate for people to like his (fairly miserable) Twitter output, but who does he think _this_ is going to appeal to?
    - ModernMech 4y ago
      Musk fell in with the alt-right MAGA types, where cruelty is the point. Look at it from Musk's perspective: he pulls a stunt like this, and people rush to his defense, he gets more followers, his impression count goes up, the world starts talking about him, media publishes papers about him, and at the end of the day he's getting richer while doing it. We've created a world where such people can be as awful as they want, and they can insulate themselves from any negative feedback whatsoever. Not only that, they cultivate a following of people who crave their awfulness. Go read the Twitter comments of people defending Musk. Actually, save yourself the trouble -- they're disgusting. Musk is never going to be the one to tell them they're taking things too far. Instead, Musk is the one who will take it further the next go around, because he knows what they want to hear. There's nothing to rein him in. Musk has created a vicious cycle for himself that he cannot recognize, and the only way he'll ever break out is if he actually suffers some semblance of negative consequences.
- belter 4y ago
  A couple more traits you missed...wont even bother providing references for each. A quick search engine query will find you all these... - Being by praised by China and Russia, in the same week, for his stance on Ukraine conflict. - Calling Pedo to a diver risking his life to save kids stuck on a Cave. - Calling a liar and lazy a employee with muscular dystrophy - https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/56C9/production/_128871222_rrvk_01.jpg.webp https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/56C9/production/... - Firing long term loyal assistant of 12 years, for daring to ask for a raise. - Comparing Justin Trudeau to Adolf Hitler. - In reply to a tax the rich” tweet by Bernie Sander’s official Twitter account, replying with a “I keep forgetting that you’re still alive,” in reference to Sanders advanced age. - Reopening Tesla's Bay Area factory against local Covid rules, causing 450 workers to get COVID-19 on their return. In the meanwhile, claimed COVID contagion risk a few months later not to attend a court hearing on the Twitter acquisition. - Threatening workers with the loss of their stock options if they unionized. A direct threat to workers against California labor laws and the right to organize.
  - senttoschool 4y ago
    I’ve been positive then neutral, and now trending towards negative on Elon. I don’t agree with everything he says or does. I agree with some.
- libraryatnight 4y ago
  There isn't a personality type, astrological sign, or whatever rubbish you're into,that makes it ok to behave like such an ass.
ororroro 4y ago
The worker has muscular dystrophy and some complicated aquihire contract. Will twitter be solvent long enough for him to not get screwed?
- MrDresden 4y ago
  That is something he has openly stated that he is worried about. His disease is progressing and the aquihire was his retirement fund. Haraldur's public persona (I know of him in no other capacity) can sometimes rub people the wrong way, but I believe his heart is wholeheartedly in the right place. He moved to Iceland after Twitter aquired his design company specifically to be able to pay the maximum amount of taxes. In his own words, it was to pay his fair share to the system that helped his poor family when growing up, as well as had helped him medically. And since he has also driven an initiative to have wheelchair ramps built at various buildings in Reykjavík, making accessibility for those who are wheelchair bound much better. Neither he nor any other current or past employee of this dead husk of a company deserves to be stuck in the chaotic death spiral that surrounds Elmo.
  - whywhywhywhy 4y ago
    His ramp initiative is very cool, he’s also setting up a cafe the past few months, but none of this is actually part of his work he’s paid for at Twitter. If Twitter was his retirement fund then I don’t know what to say really, you bet on an unknown, needlessly burned money on taxes to feel good in the short term and then treated Twitter like a side gig. I wish the guy well but just because his actions outside of Twitter were noble doesn’t mean Twitter should finance it just because he joins a few meetings a week. Should have been No.1 priority to keep that paying out, the cafe can wait till actual retirement. Complacency.
    - jackfruitpeel 4y ago
      Twitter was not some sort of rest and vest retirement scheme — he worked as a design director there for years. You should read his followup thread for more context. You should also be aware that you can't just fire someone because of their disability getting worse. It's also worth noting that the design studio he founded, Ueno, was one of the dynamic, talented and in-demand agencies in the world pre-acquisition. https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1633082707835080705?s=20 https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1633082707835080705?s...
rasz 4y ago
Is this a trick to get a settlement? Because making public circus (Even if CEO is a clown) is sure fire way to get fired.
- doomleika 4y ago
  Feels more like to gut Musk. Dude had a firm aquired to Twitter in '21. and is 2nd largest tax entity in Iceland. He got Musk saying he's terminated due to disability[1] and deliberately asked HR repeatly that his JD is correct while he was employed[2]. Dude is out for blood and Musk falls for it. It's going to be a very expensive tweet for Musk. [1] https://twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1633096176219160584 https://twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1633096176219160584 [2] https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1633082731172069379 https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1633082731172069379
- kweingar 4y ago
  It seems that he exhausted all other options. HR wouldn’t my tell him whether he was employed or not. What is he supposed to do in his situation? Continue twiddling his thumbs for weeks without knowing whether he will get paid or not?
- rasz 4y ago
  I might have been right. There is a $100 million contract payable upon Halli termination. Musk already started backpaddling, deleting tweets and I cant believe Im writing this - apologizing! 200 IQ play by Halli.
dagmx 4y ago
Elon continues to prove what an awful human being he is, devoid of empathy. Why publicly shame the guys disability? What does that gain you? Surely that’s grounds for an unlawful termination suit given that Elon made it about his disability
- dzhiurgis 4y ago
  He publicly apologised few hours ago
  - parrellel 4y ago
    After half a day someone managed to explain to him he'd put himself on the hook for 100 million bucks, yes.
  - synu 4y ago
    Well, he said someone misled him and it wasn't actually his fault what he did. I don't know if that rises to apology exactly.
    - dzhiurgis 4y ago
      It's never going to be enough for you people isn't it?
      - friendlyHornet 4y ago
        It should not be enough to deflect blame after publicly mocking an employee. Elon is not a child, he is responsible for his actions.
      - dagmx 4y ago
        “I’m sorry I acted badly” is very different than “I’m sorry someone else misled me” One doesn’t take on any blame himself and doesn’t acknowledge his bad behaviour. So yes , this is not enough because it’s just him eating crow while trying to save face. He hasn’t actually apologized for the actual issue.
      - 4y ago
bob_theslob646 4y ago
The way the worker handled musk's response with such poise is unbelievable. This tweet did it for me. I lost all respect for Elon. How can someone make fun of someone with a disability, especially with a 130m Twitter following? Is he doing this intentionally for engagement? Whether the person wasn't working up to the full standards that Elon wanted or not, you shouldn't have a public exchange about somebody's health issues. As smart as he is, he's really showing that people that are viewed as idols/heroes are humans as well and are capable of evil/stupidity. This is the latest Twitter thread https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1633082707835080705?t=Krn6RcQUtL4-Vj3AkTW_VA&s=19 https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1633082707835080705?t...
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papito 4y ago
It gets better: https://twitter.com/williamlegate/status/1633176820072816640 https://twitter.com/williamlegate/status/1633176820072816640 "Turns out the disabled Twitter employee who Elon publicly ridiculed for asking about the status of his employment sold his company to Twitter for ~$100 million, and the deal was structured in a way which requires payment for the entire deal upon his termination—whoops"

71 points by concerto 4y ago

I know a lot of people like Elon in real life. Not nearly as successful. But the traits are similar: - Disorganized - Takes a lot of risks - Flexible in decisions - Makes decisions on a whim without thinking through consequences - Makes bold plans without knowing exactly how to do it - Analytical - Loves science, history, tech, memes The same traits that allow him to be so successful are also traits that make him chaotic. If anyone subscribes to Myers Briggs, then Elon is a classic INTP. Some of my good friends are also INTP. I enjoy working with them a lot. But if they ever do the leading, expect chaos but you'll be working on something cool.

CJefferson 4y ago
Elon is only INTP if INTP means "horrible person" (I'd use much stronger words if I thought it wouldn't get me blocked). Someone who has worked hard is just trying to find out if they are employed. There is a massive power imbalance -- probably one of the largest power embalances two people on Earth can have, and all Elon can do is answer with memes, emojis and slander (Elon's latest tweet on the issue is "The reality is that this guy (who is independently wealthy) did no actual work, claimed as his excuse that he had a disability that prevented him from typing, yet was simultaneously tweeting up a storm. "). Given Elon's previous experiences with insulting people he doesn't like, I'm not going to believe that without some independant evidence.
- nivertech 4y ago
  https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1633011448459964417 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1633011448459964417
  - DaedPsyker 4y ago
    What is more disappointing to me is the amount of general unpleasant comments under this tweet. I know there will be a bias in that this will be mostly those that follow him but even still, it doesn't give me much hope.
    - rsynnott 4y ago
      Mentioned it before, but I think that to a lot of his fans Musk has become a sort of L Ron Hubbard figure; they see him as literally infallible, so they shoulder through the cognitive dissonance and go along with this stuff. If Dear Leader says it, it must be so. It’s pretty remarkable, really. Even the Jobs people were able to acknowledge that Apple was not perfect, generally.
- yashg 4y ago
  Elon Musk is a horrible person. Period.
- rsynnott 4y ago
  Bloody hell, even by Magic Car Man standards, this isn't great. I'm not sure what he's actually going for here? He's clearly desperate for people to like his (fairly miserable) Twitter output, but who does he think _this_ is going to appeal to?
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    Musk fell in with the alt-right MAGA types, where cruelty is the point. Look at it from Musk's perspective: he pulls a stunt like this, and people rush to his defense, he gets more followers, his impression count goes up, the world starts talking about him, media publishes papers about him, and at the end of the day he's getting richer while doing it. We've created a world where such people can be as awful as they want, and they can insulate themselves from any negative feedback whatsoever. Not only that, they cultivate a following of people who crave their awfulness. Go read the Twitter comments of people defending Musk. Actually, save yourself the trouble -- they're disgusting. Musk is never going to be the one to tell them they're taking things too far. Instead, Musk is the one who will take it further the next go around, because he knows what they want to hear. There's nothing to rein him in. Musk has created a vicious cycle for himself that he cannot recognize, and the only way he'll ever break out is if he actually suffers some semblance of negative consequences.
belter 4y ago
A couple more traits you missed...wont even bother providing references for each. A quick search engine query will find you all these... - Being by praised by China and Russia, in the same week, for his stance on Ukraine conflict. - Calling Pedo to a diver risking his life to save kids stuck on a Cave. - Calling a liar and lazy a employee with muscular dystrophy - https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/56C9/production/_128871222_rrvk_01.jpg.webp https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/56C9/production/... - Firing long term loyal assistant of 12 years, for daring to ask for a raise. - Comparing Justin Trudeau to Adolf Hitler. - In reply to a tax the rich” tweet by Bernie Sander’s official Twitter account, replying with a “I keep forgetting that you’re still alive,” in reference to Sanders advanced age. - Reopening Tesla's Bay Area factory against local Covid rules, causing 450 workers to get COVID-19 on their return. In the meanwhile, claimed COVID contagion risk a few months later not to attend a court hearing on the Twitter acquisition. - Threatening workers with the loss of their stock options if they unionized. A direct threat to workers against California labor laws and the right to organize.
- senttoschool 4y ago
  I’ve been positive then neutral, and now trending towards negative on Elon. I don’t agree with everything he says or does. I agree with some.
libraryatnight 4y ago
There isn't a personality type, astrological sign, or whatever rubbish you're into,that makes it ok to behave like such an ass.

ororroro 4y ago

The worker has muscular dystrophy and some complicated aquihire contract. Will twitter be solvent long enough for him to not get screwed?

MrDresden 4y ago
That is something he has openly stated that he is worried about. His disease is progressing and the aquihire was his retirement fund. Haraldur's public persona (I know of him in no other capacity) can sometimes rub people the wrong way, but I believe his heart is wholeheartedly in the right place. He moved to Iceland after Twitter aquired his design company specifically to be able to pay the maximum amount of taxes. In his own words, it was to pay his fair share to the system that helped his poor family when growing up, as well as had helped him medically. And since he has also driven an initiative to have wheelchair ramps built at various buildings in Reykjavík, making accessibility for those who are wheelchair bound much better. Neither he nor any other current or past employee of this dead husk of a company deserves to be stuck in the chaotic death spiral that surrounds Elmo.
- whywhywhywhy 4y ago
  His ramp initiative is very cool, he’s also setting up a cafe the past few months, but none of this is actually part of his work he’s paid for at Twitter. If Twitter was his retirement fund then I don’t know what to say really, you bet on an unknown, needlessly burned money on taxes to feel good in the short term and then treated Twitter like a side gig. I wish the guy well but just because his actions outside of Twitter were noble doesn’t mean Twitter should finance it just because he joins a few meetings a week. Should have been No.1 priority to keep that paying out, the cafe can wait till actual retirement. Complacency.
  - jackfruitpeel 4y ago
    Twitter was not some sort of rest and vest retirement scheme — he worked as a design director there for years. You should read his followup thread for more context. You should also be aware that you can't just fire someone because of their disability getting worse. It's also worth noting that the design studio he founded, Ueno, was one of the dynamic, talented and in-demand agencies in the world pre-acquisition. https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1633082707835080705?s=20 https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1633082707835080705?s...

rasz 4y ago

Is this a trick to get a settlement? Because making public circus (Even if CEO is a clown) is sure fire way to get fired.

doomleika 4y ago
Feels more like to gut Musk. Dude had a firm aquired to Twitter in '21. and is 2nd largest tax entity in Iceland. He got Musk saying he's terminated due to disability[1] and deliberately asked HR repeatly that his JD is correct while he was employed[2]. Dude is out for blood and Musk falls for it. It's going to be a very expensive tweet for Musk. [1] https://twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1633096176219160584 https://twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1633096176219160584 [2] https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1633082731172069379 https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1633082731172069379
kweingar 4y ago
It seems that he exhausted all other options. HR wouldn’t my tell him whether he was employed or not. What is he supposed to do in his situation? Continue twiddling his thumbs for weeks without knowing whether he will get paid or not?
rasz 4y ago
I might have been right. There is a $100 million contract payable upon Halli termination. Musk already started backpaddling, deleting tweets and I cant believe Im writing this - apologizing! 200 IQ play by Halli.

dagmx 4y ago

Elon continues to prove what an awful human being he is, devoid of empathy. Why publicly shame the guys disability? What does that gain you? Surely that’s grounds for an unlawful termination suit given that Elon made it about his disability

dzhiurgis 4y ago
He publicly apologised few hours ago
- parrellel 4y ago
  After half a day someone managed to explain to him he'd put himself on the hook for 100 million bucks, yes.
- synu 4y ago
  Well, he said someone misled him and it wasn't actually his fault what he did. I don't know if that rises to apology exactly.
  - dzhiurgis 4y ago
    It's never going to be enough for you people isn't it?
    - friendlyHornet 4y ago
      It should not be enough to deflect blame after publicly mocking an employee. Elon is not a child, he is responsible for his actions.
    - dagmx 4y ago
      “I’m sorry I acted badly” is very different than “I’m sorry someone else misled me” One doesn’t take on any blame himself and doesn’t acknowledge his bad behaviour. So yes , this is not enough because it’s just him eating crow while trying to save face. He hasn’t actually apologized for the actual issue.
    - 4y ago

bob_theslob646 4y ago

The way the worker handled musk's response with such poise is unbelievable. This tweet did it for me. I lost all respect for Elon. How can someone make fun of someone with a disability, especially with a 130m Twitter following? Is he doing this intentionally for engagement? Whether the person wasn't working up to the full standards that Elon wanted or not, you shouldn't have a public exchange about somebody's health issues. As smart as he is, he's really showing that people that are viewed as idols/heroes are humans as well and are capable of evil/stupidity. This is the latest Twitter thread https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1633082707835080705?t=Krn6RcQUtL4-Vj3AkTW_VA&s=19 https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1633082707835080705?t...

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papito 4y ago

It gets better: https://twitter.com/williamlegate/status/1633176820072816640 https://twitter.com/williamlegate/status/1633176820072816640 "Turns out the disabled Twitter employee who Elon publicly ridiculed for asking about the status of his employment sold his company to Twitter for ~$100 million, and the deal was structured in a way which requires payment for the entire deal upon his termination—whoops"