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I'm not just talking about border disputes, and I don't make this connection lightly. Pakistan was explicitly founded as a country for 'Indian Muslims'. The 197

I'm not just talking about border disputes, and I don't make this connection lightly. Pakistan was explicitly founded as a country for 'Indian Muslims'. The 1971 war wasn't over a border dispute: West Pakistanis openly genocided and raped[1] Bengali Hindus (and Muslims, for that matter), declaring Bengali women 'war booty', which forced India to step in. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide As for 'no united India before colonial times': what about the Maurya and Gupta empires, or even the Delhi and Hyderabad sultanates? They governed over a significant portion of modern-day India + Pakistan. If this is your sort of goalpost, then even relatively homogenous countries like Germany and Italy shouldn't really exist today, given that they only coalesced in the late 19th century.

rramadass 4y ago
Related: You might find the links (the comment is not applicable) i have listed here useful - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33556881 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33556881
kamaal 4y ago
>>If this is your sort of goalpost, then even relatively homogenous countries like Germany and Italy shouldn't really exist today, given that they only coalesced in the late 19th century. Yup. The Holy Roman empire, Roman Empire, Byzantines, Greeks, Hellenistic period etc etc. Over a period of long intervals the geographical boundaries of any and every region on earth expand and shrink. That's just fact of life. And boundaries are basically things written on a piece of paper, where one administration decides to start or end its control. Also what does things like 'new countries' even mean here. It is not like when people make new countries they take they dig up their region from beneath and relocate to Mars. They are just saying they don't wish to live under your political administration. There is no need to overthink these things beyond a certain point.
random314 4y ago
> If this is your sort of goalpost, then even relatively homogenous countries like Germany and Italy shouldn't really exist today, given that they only coalesced in the late 19th century. The strength of modern state propaganda is such that people have developed all kinds of crazy notions about history. The nation state is a modern invention and this involves myth building about the country going back to ancient times. The French spoken in southern France had much more in common with northern Italian. Its just common sense that it would be so. Modern French was forced down it's subjects just like Urdu in Pakistan, Standardized Mandarin in China and ongoing attempts for Hindu in India. The state has been elevated to the status of a mythical quasi religious entity. https://youtu.be/hdUbIlwHRkY https://youtu.be/hdUbIlwHRkY
- rramadass 4y ago
  For your edification w.r.t. India : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33556881 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33556881 A person who equates Mandarin:China :: Hindu:India has no clue about either.
  - random314 4y ago
    It's a typo: I meant Hindi-India. In any case, I won't be responding to ultra nationalist, religion supremacist, right wing trolls anymore. So you can take your "edifications" and random articles elsewhere.
    - rramadass 4y ago
      Sigh; again with the name-calling ad hominem attacks from an anonymous account. Reminds me of this : https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/17/remain-silent/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/17/remain-silent/

rramadass 4y ago

Related: You might find the links (the comment is not applicable) i have listed here useful - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33556881 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33556881

kamaal 4y ago

>>If this is your sort of goalpost, then even relatively homogenous countries like Germany and Italy shouldn't really exist today, given that they only coalesced in the late 19th century. Yup. The Holy Roman empire, Roman Empire, Byzantines, Greeks, Hellenistic period etc etc. Over a period of long intervals the geographical boundaries of any and every region on earth expand and shrink. That's just fact of life. And boundaries are basically things written on a piece of paper, where one administration decides to start or end its control. Also what does things like 'new countries' even mean here. It is not like when people make new countries they take they dig up their region from beneath and relocate to Mars. They are just saying they don't wish to live under your political administration. There is no need to overthink these things beyond a certain point.

random314 4y ago

> If this is your sort of goalpost, then even relatively homogenous countries like Germany and Italy shouldn't really exist today, given that they only coalesced in the late 19th century. The strength of modern state propaganda is such that people have developed all kinds of crazy notions about history. The nation state is a modern invention and this involves myth building about the country going back to ancient times. The French spoken in southern France had much more in common with northern Italian. Its just common sense that it would be so. Modern French was forced down it's subjects just like Urdu in Pakistan, Standardized Mandarin in China and ongoing attempts for Hindu in India. The state has been elevated to the status of a mythical quasi religious entity. https://youtu.be/hdUbIlwHRkY https://youtu.be/hdUbIlwHRkY

rramadass 4y ago
For your edification w.r.t. India : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33556881 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33556881 A person who equates Mandarin:China :: Hindu:India has no clue about either.
- random314 4y ago
  It's a typo: I meant Hindi-India. In any case, I won't be responding to ultra nationalist, religion supremacist, right wing trolls anymore. So you can take your "edifications" and random articles elsewhere.
  - rramadass 4y ago
    Sigh; again with the name-calling ad hominem attacks from an anonymous account. Reminds me of this : https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/17/remain-silent/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/17/remain-silent/