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> Plato said it best, "Those who tell stories rule society." Source? This quote appears in many places online, but never with any source, besides "attributed t
by yesenadam 4y ago
> Plato said it best, "Those who tell stories rule society."
Source? This quote appears in many places online, but never with any source, besides "attributed to Plato", or "as Plato once said" etc. Usually this means it's not something Plato said. The internet is full of fake Plato quotes.
I got to the 6th page of google results before seeing anything like a source, and followed that trail - "Leadership Manipulation and Ethics in Storytelling" by T Auvinen, 2013, cited 110 times, says "Even Plato stated that those who tell stories rule society (Fisher, 1985)". So I looked at that paper, WR Fisher's "The Narrative Paradigm: In the Beginning" (1985), which doesn't contain that quote or anything like it! It does say, in its one paragraph about Plato:
"[Plato's] “contribution” to the transformation of logos was to technologize it, to make it a term appropriate to only philosophical discourse. The effects of his thought were to create “experts” in truth, knowledge, and reality; to establish the rational superiority of philosophical (technical) discourse; to relegate mythos to myth (meaning fictional); and to downgrade rhetoric and poetic. Dispensations were made for rhetoric and poetic; they had a place in the life of the community but they were not to be considered serious intellectual arts. They were to be controlled or informed by philosopher-kings."
Which is vaguely in the right ballpark - although more like its opposite. Tentative conclusion: Plato didn't say that.
- throwaway14356 4y agoimho that story should have ended like: "I didn't say that" - Plato
- yesenadam 4y agoIt's been done to death already. e.g. https://www.redbubble.com/i/art-board-print/Plato-I-Didn-t-Say-This-by-wearphilosophy/38371077.TR477 https://www.redbubble.com/i/art-board-print/Plato-I-Didn-t-S... Some variants: Einstein https://innovativewealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Einstein-quote1.jpg https://innovativewealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Eins... Lincoln https://innovativewealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/quote-abraham-lincoln-quote-internet-fake.jpg https://innovativewealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/quot... Buddha https://superaalifragilistic.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/new_banner_3.jpg https://superaalifragilistic.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/new...
- mwcremer 4y agoOr Yogi Berra https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/12/30/yogi-didnt-say/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/12/30/yogi-didnt-say/
- yesenadam 4y agoI think the quote must have come first: T Auvinen wanted to use the quote, which they'd seen online, but needed a reference, so searched for something mentioning Plato, stories, and rulers, and found this paper. That seems very likely. I think there's no way you could get the quote from the paragraph, but they share the same elements.