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This just reinforces what I've been saying for years: seeking promotion is for chumps. You'll make far more money and advance far quicker from job-hopping betw

This just reinforces what I've been saying for years: seeking promotion is for chumps. You'll make far more money and advance far quicker from job-hopping between companies than you will trying to seek internal promotion. Google, and pretty much big tech as a whole, is completely aimless at this point and has no real plan to provide new value to customers. They just jump from shiny thing to shiny new thing. Big tech has only been able to maintain it's recent dominance through monopolistic practices, and now they've mismanaged themselves into decline. Good.

ChatGTP 4y ago
I guess the new hope is they can automate everyone out of work to save money on labor, that seems to be the new growth path...
jnwatson 4y ago
It isn't easy to get senior FAANG compensation at other companies.
- Bajeezus 4y ago
  That was true 5+ years ago, but these days I can easily name 20+ companies that pay roughly the same or more at the senior level. Half your compensation at FAANG is name recognition for your resume.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    List them!
  - Panini_Jones 4y ago
    E5/L5 compensation is relatively similar across the board for normal performers ($350k-$450k). Once you get into the E7+ compensation levels, then you start to notice a real differences.
    - roflyear 4y ago
      I'd like a list of companies with $350k+ comp please ...
      - Panini_Jones 4y ago
        Check out levels.fyi or candor.
        jnwatson 4y ago
        I just did. There was exactly one other company that paid like a FAANG for staff engineer in my non-SV location and it was another FAANG.
  - rat9988 4y ago
    Name the 20+ companies that have faang level compensation.
pjmlp 4y ago
In the other hand, the only way to avoid forced promotion is mostly to leave and start afresh somewhere else.
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 4y ago
  Riggght? Every couple months my managers start harassing me about going for promo. Chill out. I just want to write code. The higher L I am, the more pointless meetings I have to endure and the less code I can write. Do you not want people that actually get things done, competently? Or do you want to save all the coding for the L3s so we can really double down on that tech debt?
  - lisasays 4y ago
    Do you want to save all the coding for the L3s so we can really double down on that tech debt? If you view your colleagues so disdainfully - why (other than comp) are you still working there?
    - mhss 4y ago
      FWIW. I don't read this as disdain, just stating the fact that less experienced people make more mistakes or may have less experience avoiding tech debt. It's hyperbole of course (I hope) because L4/L5s should be reviewing that code, but the point I believe is that coding is sometimes too quickly removed as a valuable activity for L5s and above.
      - lisasays 4y ago
        Sounds like an attempt at spin, frankly. The commenter wasn't saying that the L3s "may have less experience avoiding tech debt"; but that they are, by default, to be viewed as creators of technical debt. Which I guess we all are, at the end of the day. Still there's a snarky edge to the wording in that comment that I find hard to get past.
        4y ago

ChatGTP 4y ago

I guess the new hope is they can automate everyone out of work to save money on labor, that seems to be the new growth path...

jnwatson 4y ago

It isn't easy to get senior FAANG compensation at other companies.

Bajeezus 4y ago
That was true 5+ years ago, but these days I can easily name 20+ companies that pay roughly the same or more at the senior level. Half your compensation at FAANG is name recognition for your resume.
- roflyear 4y ago
  List them!
- Panini_Jones 4y ago
  E5/L5 compensation is relatively similar across the board for normal performers ($350k-$450k). Once you get into the E7+ compensation levels, then you start to notice a real differences.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    I'd like a list of companies with $350k+ comp please ...
    - Panini_Jones 4y ago
      Check out levels.fyi or candor.
      - jnwatson 4y ago
        I just did. There was exactly one other company that paid like a FAANG for staff engineer in my non-SV location and it was another FAANG.
- rat9988 4y ago
  Name the 20+ companies that have faang level compensation.

pjmlp 4y ago

In the other hand, the only way to avoid forced promotion is mostly to leave and start afresh somewhere else.

8n4vidtmkvmk 4y ago
Riggght? Every couple months my managers start harassing me about going for promo. Chill out. I just want to write code. The higher L I am, the more pointless meetings I have to endure and the less code I can write. Do you not want people that actually get things done, competently? Or do you want to save all the coding for the L3s so we can really double down on that tech debt?
- lisasays 4y ago
  Do you want to save all the coding for the L3s so we can really double down on that tech debt? If you view your colleagues so disdainfully - why (other than comp) are you still working there?
  - mhss 4y ago
    FWIW. I don't read this as disdain, just stating the fact that less experienced people make more mistakes or may have less experience avoiding tech debt. It's hyperbole of course (I hope) because L4/L5s should be reviewing that code, but the point I believe is that coding is sometimes too quickly removed as a valuable activity for L5s and above.
    - lisasays 4y ago
      Sounds like an attempt at spin, frankly. The commenter wasn't saying that the L3s "may have less experience avoiding tech debt"; but that they are, by default, to be viewed as creators of technical debt. Which I guess we all are, at the end of the day. Still there's a snarky edge to the wording in that comment that I find hard to get past.
      - 4y ago