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I think that's besides the point. Shouldn't you have the option of deciding whether your data is sold or not?

hash872 4y ago
Is your contention that if I click 'no' on the GPDR nag screen it won't sell/harvest my data? The few times that I've looked at the T&Cs more closely, they simply say that some cookies are 'essential' for the website and that I can't opt out from them. I took that to mean that clicking anything was accepting their T&Cs to some degree- hence, I refuse to click any GPDR nag screens ever. If clicking 'no' is effective, it raises the question of why can't that just be done automatically for me by my browser, sparing me the obnoxious nag screens
- EMIRELADERO 4y ago
  > If clicking 'no' is effective, it raises the question of why can't that just be done automatically for me by my browser, sparing me the obnoxious nag screens Because it's in the website owner's best interest to make the rejecting process be as cumbersome and annoying as possible. The whole thing is a show of bad faith.
- Jochim 4y ago
  Essential cookies refer to cookies required for the technical operation of the site. There is no requirement to notify a user of essential cookies. Here are some examples of the type of functionality covered by essential cookies: - Persisting a shopping cart. - Storing your login session. - Identifying the node that should handle your requests. Site operators are forbidden by the law from using essential cookies for tracking purposes. If a site operator is classifying tracking cookies as essential, or using their essential cookies for tracking then they are very likely acting in violation of the law.
personomas 4y ago
No. When you visit your friends house, do you get to make the rules and tell them, what food you get for dinner, how you like your back rubbed, etc? No, if you don't like it, don't visit them. Forcing ridiculous laws on them does not lead to good.
- corney91 4y ago
  The difference in your analogy is you know what your friend is doing. If you went to your friend's house and they secretly spied on you, you'd surely think less of them when/if you found out.
  - personomas 4y ago
    That doesn't mean it makes sense to enforce ridiculous regulation on all houses to catch that one friend in ten million.
    - corney91 4y ago
      The number of popular websites that now notify that they're tracking you across the Internet is more than 1 in 10 million. They don't have to show any banner if they're not tracking you.
- Jochim 4y ago
  When you visit your friend's house do they get to rape you when you walk in the door or are they expected to establish some sort of consent first?
personomas 4y ago
No. Whether data is sold or not, perhaps, but GDPR and EU regulations go way, way beyond that.
personomas 4y ago
No. We have to stop being freaks about our fricking data. Meaningless data like gender or height should be treated like water, it goes everywhere, it gets on the floor, and it doesn't matter!
jamiequint 4y ago
Sure, nobody is forcing you to go to the website or use the app.
- Jochim 4y ago
  Sure and GDPR allows users to make an informed decision as to whether they wish to use a particular website or app. Without it the user cannot know whether an app or website will track them without first visiting it. The act of loading the site can expose the entirety of your browsing activity to the site operator. Whether you would have agreed to those terms or not isn't factored.

Is your contention that if I click 'no' on the GPDR nag screen it won't sell/harvest my data? The few times that I've looked at the T&Cs more closely, they simply say that some cookies are 'essential' for the website and that I can't opt out from them. I took that to mean that clicking anything was accepting their T&Cs to some degree- hence, I refuse to click any GPDR nag screens ever. If clicking 'no' is effective, it raises the question of why can't that just be done automatically for me by my browser, sparing me the obnoxious nag screens

EMIRELADERO 4y ago
> If clicking 'no' is effective, it raises the question of why can't that just be done automatically for me by my browser, sparing me the obnoxious nag screens Because it's in the website owner's best interest to make the rejecting process be as cumbersome and annoying as possible. The whole thing is a show of bad faith.
Jochim 4y ago
Essential cookies refer to cookies required for the technical operation of the site. There is no requirement to notify a user of essential cookies. Here are some examples of the type of functionality covered by essential cookies: - Persisting a shopping cart. - Storing your login session. - Identifying the node that should handle your requests. Site operators are forbidden by the law from using essential cookies for tracking purposes. If a site operator is classifying tracking cookies as essential, or using their essential cookies for tracking then they are very likely acting in violation of the law.

personomas 4y ago

No. When you visit your friends house, do you get to make the rules and tell them, what food you get for dinner, how you like your back rubbed, etc? No, if you don't like it, don't visit them. Forcing ridiculous laws on them does not lead to good.

corney91 4y ago
The difference in your analogy is you know what your friend is doing. If you went to your friend's house and they secretly spied on you, you'd surely think less of them when/if you found out.
- personomas 4y ago
  That doesn't mean it makes sense to enforce ridiculous regulation on all houses to catch that one friend in ten million.
  - corney91 4y ago
    The number of popular websites that now notify that they're tracking you across the Internet is more than 1 in 10 million. They don't have to show any banner if they're not tracking you.
Jochim 4y ago
When you visit your friend's house do they get to rape you when you walk in the door or are they expected to establish some sort of consent first?

personomas 4y ago

No. Whether data is sold or not, perhaps, but GDPR and EU regulations go way, way beyond that.

personomas 4y ago

No. We have to stop being freaks about our fricking data. Meaningless data like gender or height should be treated like water, it goes everywhere, it gets on the floor, and it doesn't matter!

jamiequint 4y ago

Sure, nobody is forcing you to go to the website or use the app.

Jochim 4y ago
Sure and GDPR allows users to make an informed decision as to whether they wish to use a particular website or app. Without it the user cannot know whether an app or website will track them without first visiting it. The act of loading the site can expose the entirety of your browsing activity to the site operator. Whether you would have agreed to those terms or not isn't factored.