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I believe one of us didn't. Also, maybe keep reading the statement from US State Department until you comprehend it.

manuelabeledo 4y ago
I read it. I'm quite familiar with the US and UN positions on China. The first link doesn't say what you thing it does, though. It is even written by the de facto ambassador of Taiwan to Japan. But even ignoring all those links, Taiwan is de facto an independent country. The PRC cannot assert any sort of power in the island, and PRC citizens are not considered Taiwanese nationals.
- yogthos 4y ago
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  - manuelabeledo 4y ago
    Ignoring reality doesn't change it. Taiwan have limited and then banned mainland tourists for a while now. Chinese have zero freedom of movement in Taiwan. China asserts zero power, politically, judicially, executive, over Taiwan. Get over it.
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  - dang 4y ago
    Nationalistic flamewar is not ok on HN. We ban accounts that post like this, regardless of which country or people or state you have a problem with, and regardless of what your political positions are. Edit: You posted 46 comments in this flamewar. That's extremely not what HN is for! If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- yogthos 4y ago
  This is literally false according to UN and international law.
  - infamia 4y ago
    You should not believe the CCP's self serving, feigned morality. If the UN and international norms were so important to the Chinese Communist Party, they would condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which they steadfastly refuse to do. All this despite endlessly lecturing everyone for decades about territorial integrity and internationally recognized borders. Where are those principles now? All of those high-minded thoughts are forgotten the moment it is convenient for the CCP to do so.
    - yogthos 4y ago
      You should not believe the US regime's self serving, feigned morality. If the UN and international norms were so important to the US government, they would not have unilaterally invaded Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other countries murdering million of people. All this despite endlessly lecturing everyone for decades about rules based world order. Where are those principles now? All of those high-minded thoughts are forgotten the moment it is convenient for the US to do so.
      - infamia 4y ago
        None of that excuses the CCP's hypocrisy ignoring Ukraine's territorial integrity, simply because they want to support Russia. I'm willing to say that the US was dead wrong in some (not all) of those situations. Are you willing to say it is wrong for China to support Russia violating Ukraine's territorial integrity, and that they should condemn Russia without delay?
        yogthos 4y ago
        US has never been on the right side of history in the past half a century, and US is sure as hell not on the right side of history trying to start a war with China right now. Why should China side with US over Ukraine's territorial integrity as US violates Chinese territorial integrity? Furthermore, your entire position is incoherent here. Seems like when it comes to Taiwan you are supporting separatism, while when it comes to Ukraine you're supporting territorial integrity. Perhaps try and pick a lane first?
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I read it. I'm quite familiar with the US and UN positions on China. The first link doesn't say what you thing it does, though. It is even written by the de facto ambassador of Taiwan to Japan. But even ignoring all those links, Taiwan is de facto an independent country. The PRC cannot assert any sort of power in the island, and PRC citizens are not considered Taiwanese nationals.

yogthos 4y ago
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- manuelabeledo 4y ago
  Ignoring reality doesn't change it. Taiwan have limited and then banned mainland tourists for a while now. Chinese have zero freedom of movement in Taiwan. China asserts zero power, politically, judicially, executive, over Taiwan. Get over it.
  - deleted 4y ago
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- dang 4y ago
  Nationalistic flamewar is not ok on HN. We ban accounts that post like this, regardless of which country or people or state you have a problem with, and regardless of what your political positions are. Edit: You posted 46 comments in this flamewar. That's extremely not what HN is for! If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit more to heart, we'd be grateful.
yogthos 4y ago
This is literally false according to UN and international law.
- infamia 4y ago
  You should not believe the CCP's self serving, feigned morality. If the UN and international norms were so important to the Chinese Communist Party, they would condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which they steadfastly refuse to do. All this despite endlessly lecturing everyone for decades about territorial integrity and internationally recognized borders. Where are those principles now? All of those high-minded thoughts are forgotten the moment it is convenient for the CCP to do so.
  - yogthos 4y ago
    You should not believe the US regime's self serving, feigned morality. If the UN and international norms were so important to the US government, they would not have unilaterally invaded Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other countries murdering million of people. All this despite endlessly lecturing everyone for decades about rules based world order. Where are those principles now? All of those high-minded thoughts are forgotten the moment it is convenient for the US to do so.
    - infamia 4y ago
      None of that excuses the CCP's hypocrisy ignoring Ukraine's territorial integrity, simply because they want to support Russia. I'm willing to say that the US was dead wrong in some (not all) of those situations. Are you willing to say it is wrong for China to support Russia violating Ukraine's territorial integrity, and that they should condemn Russia without delay?
      - yogthos 4y ago
        US has never been on the right side of history in the past half a century, and US is sure as hell not on the right side of history trying to start a war with China right now. Why should China side with US over Ukraine's territorial integrity as US violates Chinese territorial integrity? Furthermore, your entire position is incoherent here. Seems like when it comes to Taiwan you are supporting separatism, while when it comes to Ukraine you're supporting territorial integrity. Perhaps try and pick a lane first?

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