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Glad it worked for you. For every person like you there are a thousand where they were mistreated and it didn't lead to success.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> every person like you there are a thousand where they were mistreated and it didn't lead to success And they should have recourse. That doesn’t mean we ban or automatically condone the practice.
- roflyear 4y ago
  Right, but you're essentially saying (or it is being interpreted this way by many) "Do the time, it worked for me!"
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > you're essentially saying (or it is being interpreted this way by many) "Do the time, it worked for me!" I’m not saying that. I’m saying doing the time isn’t equivalent to abuse. The facts and circumstances matter, e.g. who is doing it, how often it’s required, and what everyones’ stakes are.
    - roflyear 4y ago
      Well, that's how it reads. Sorry.
smcl 4y ago
[Raises hand] I spent countless weekends and evenings in my mid-20s to help the company meet a delivery deadlines (earning the company X million pounds each time) or to untangle some production fuckup (saving the company from having to “best price” trades or incur fines). Claims of overtime shushed and dismissed (“come on you already make more than $colleague…”). Promises of equity that were “delivered” in the form of some kind of ultimately worthless “units” that were granted in place of actual shares (just while the legal side is worked out, you know) and which were eventually swept under the carpet as if they never existed. Those overnighters and the value they created mean very different things to someone who has equity vs the rest of us. As you can tell I’m a little bitter still, I realise now this amounts to wage theft and violates various protections we have in law - I just wish I had known at the time :(
- roflyear 4y ago
  We've all heard the story! "Now is the time you want to work hard ... trust me" "It isn't in the budget now, but we're just about to close ... " "If we pull through this, everyone here will be rewarded!" "Now isn't the time to leave ... trust me" It's shameless!

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> every person like you there are a thousand where they were mistreated and it didn't lead to success And they should have recourse. That doesn’t mean we ban or automatically condone the practice.

roflyear 4y ago
Right, but you're essentially saying (or it is being interpreted this way by many) "Do the time, it worked for me!"
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > you're essentially saying (or it is being interpreted this way by many) "Do the time, it worked for me!" I’m not saying that. I’m saying doing the time isn’t equivalent to abuse. The facts and circumstances matter, e.g. who is doing it, how often it’s required, and what everyones’ stakes are.
  - roflyear 4y ago
    Well, that's how it reads. Sorry.

smcl 4y ago

[Raises hand] I spent countless weekends and evenings in my mid-20s to help the company meet a delivery deadlines (earning the company X million pounds each time) or to untangle some production fuckup (saving the company from having to “best price” trades or incur fines). Claims of overtime shushed and dismissed (“come on you already make more than $colleague…”). Promises of equity that were “delivered” in the form of some kind of ultimately worthless “units” that were granted in place of actual shares (just while the legal side is worked out, you know) and which were eventually swept under the carpet as if they never existed. Those overnighters and the value they created mean very different things to someone who has equity vs the rest of us. As you can tell I’m a little bitter still, I realise now this amounts to wage theft and violates various protections we have in law - I just wish I had known at the time :(

roflyear 4y ago
We've all heard the story! "Now is the time you want to work hard ... trust me" "It isn't in the budget now, but we're just about to close ... " "If we pull through this, everyone here will be rewarded!" "Now isn't the time to leave ... trust me" It's shameless!