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> How about letting the chinese people in mainland china and taiwan decide the matter for themselves. Taiwan currently has decided for themselves that they are

by stale2002 4y ago

> How about letting the chinese people in mainland china and taiwan decide the matter for themselves. Taiwan currently has decided for themselves that they are happy to accept military weapons from the US, to defend themselves in the case of any military action against them from China. If that is Taiwan's decision, they should be supported and allowed to make it.

yrdmb 4y ago
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- stale2002 4y ago
  > only "independent" because we got involved The people of Taiwan do not want to be invaded by China. So, given that this is their wish, and Taiwan wants to be able to defend itself, it is OK to support their wishes and give them the means to defend themselves. > The decision was already made. Well, they are right now deciding that they want to be able to defend themselves. So I respect that decision, which is that they want weapons and ways to defend themselves. > don't want war. There isn't going to be a war if China doesn't invade. Which is why it is important to respect Taiwan's wishes to have the means of defending themselves. > So taiwan can't decide anything Even if you think that, this is all the more reason that they should be given as many weapons as they want, so they can make their own decisions and are not forced to do anything by an invading army.
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    - postingawayonhn 4y ago
      > 1.4 billion chinese who won the civil war don't want their island stolen from them. They never gained control of the island. > I think the interests of 1.4 billion chinese outweigh the losing 20 million chinese. I tend to take the view that the interests of dictatorships can be largely disregarded. The 1.4 billion people have not held an election to elect representatives to decide on the issue of Taiwan. Chinese policy has been decided by a dictatorial elite.
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        postingawayonhn 4y ago
        > 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. Of course they are. They have no freedom of speech.
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        postingawayonhn 4y ago
        Per capita GDP in Taiwan is triple that of China. While average living standards have improved significantly in China there is a good argument to make that the CCP has held back GDP growth.
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- NicoJuicy 4y ago
  Not willing to be force reunited with a country doesn't make them a vessel for another.
holoduke 4y ago
But who is Taiwan? Because in Taiwan you can be either: pro independent, pro part of China or pro China part of Taiwan. The west only speaks with the first. China with the second. The third are the rebellions.
- postingawayonhn 4y ago
  The west speaks with the government democratically elected by the people.

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stale2002 4y ago
> only "independent" because we got involved The people of Taiwan do not want to be invaded by China. So, given that this is their wish, and Taiwan wants to be able to defend itself, it is OK to support their wishes and give them the means to defend themselves. > The decision was already made. Well, they are right now deciding that they want to be able to defend themselves. So I respect that decision, which is that they want weapons and ways to defend themselves. > don't want war. There isn't going to be a war if China doesn't invade. Which is why it is important to respect Taiwan's wishes to have the means of defending themselves. > So taiwan can't decide anything Even if you think that, this is all the more reason that they should be given as many weapons as they want, so they can make their own decisions and are not forced to do anything by an invading army.
- yrdmb 4y ago
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  - postingawayonhn 4y ago
    > 1.4 billion chinese who won the civil war don't want their island stolen from them. They never gained control of the island. > I think the interests of 1.4 billion chinese outweigh the losing 20 million chinese. I tend to take the view that the interests of dictatorships can be largely disregarded. The 1.4 billion people have not held an election to elect representatives to decide on the issue of Taiwan. Chinese policy has been decided by a dictatorial elite.
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      - postingawayonhn 4y ago
        > 95.5 percent of respondents were either “relatively satisfied” or “highly satisfied” with Beijing. Of course they are. They have no freedom of speech.
        yrdmb 4y ago
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        postingawayonhn 4y ago
        Per capita GDP in Taiwan is triple that of China. While average living standards have improved significantly in China there is a good argument to make that the CCP has held back GDP growth.
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NicoJuicy 4y ago
Not willing to be force reunited with a country doesn't make them a vessel for another.

holoduke 4y ago

But who is Taiwan? Because in Taiwan you can be either: pro independent, pro part of China or pro China part of Taiwan. The west only speaks with the first. China with the second. The third are the rebellions.

postingawayonhn 4y ago
The west speaks with the government democratically elected by the people.