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I just bought a brand new motherboard that still has VGA and PS/2 ports, so I would guess IPv4 isn't going away any time soon. Old standards seem to hang around

I just bought a brand new motherboard that still has VGA and PS/2 ports, so I would guess IPv4 isn't going away any time soon. Old standards seem to hang around forever for legacy support. Why an ISP would assume they could set up an IPv6 only network is beyond me.

drdaeman 4y ago
Unless it's a server motherboard, it most likely supports DisplayPort or HDMI, possibly even over Thunderbolt/USB-C? Legacy compatibility is not an issue (unless it makes things complicated, unreliable or limited in the name of backward compatibility). Lack of modern functionality is. Similarly, presence IPv4 support in devices is not a problem - lack of IPv6 support is. The comparable issue would be if you have bought a new motherboard but all it supports is VGA - now, that'd be quite inconvenient (even if it's a server board that runs headless 99.99% of the time).
- zamadatix 4y ago
  This reminded me of an e300-8D I recently parted ways with. Bought new in 2017 but only had VGA out from the BMC... I gave away the VGA monitor I was using with it. Looking back I'm surprised I didn't just buy an active converter, it was such a pain to pull that monitor out :p.
  - drdaeman 4y ago
    Same story, except that I have an ASRockRack EPYC board for a home router/server/NAS combo. Fortunately, most of server boards have a built-in LOM solution with some sort of IP-KVM. So the actual video output is only ever needed for the very first time - and that's if LOM defaults are not known. Or, well, if things break - e.g., I've had issues because management port sharing was enabled by default and I haven't realized I should turn it off until I've noticed that my server became unresponsive for IPMI-over-IP queries. I'm a bit frustrated that I had to purchase an adapter, but at least that was an one-in-a-lifetime purchase.
outworlder 4y ago
Not sure why we are comparing hardware with software here. Your motherboard can run IPv6 just fine :) You probably bought a server motherboard, so the ports are there for old KVM-type devices. Good luck buying a consumer motherboard with VGA and PS/2 ports.
- toast0 4y ago
  https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-A-PRO-MAX https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-A-PRO-MAX Here you go. It's a little older, but AM4 is still competitive, especially if you're using video from the CPU. In which case, the lack of a 500 series chipset isn't a big limitation.
  - zamadatix 4y ago
    I raise you a B550M board! https://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=987 https://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=9... Depending on the rules there's also the https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-x670-p/ https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/pr... with ps/2 and while there is no physical VGA you can passive adapter one out of the DisplayPort connector.
    - toast0 4y ago
      Passive adapters from DisplayPort to VGA sounds unlikely? Port powered adapter, sure, but unless they're doing something really weird, you need at least some DACs and maybe something to translate sync? That's unlike single channel dvi-d <-> hdmi conversion which is just a matter of connecting pins; IIUC, you can passively convert from display port to single channel dvi-d (and therefore hdmi), but dual-channel dvi-d needs active conversion too. If it were passive, I'd say it counts (maybe some board connected vga to the dvi-a pins?), but I not the OP.
      - zamadatix 4y ago
        It’s very likely I’m just assigning too much functionality to DP++ in my memories :).

drdaeman 4y ago

Unless it's a server motherboard, it most likely supports DisplayPort or HDMI, possibly even over Thunderbolt/USB-C? Legacy compatibility is not an issue (unless it makes things complicated, unreliable or limited in the name of backward compatibility). Lack of modern functionality is. Similarly, presence IPv4 support in devices is not a problem - lack of IPv6 support is. The comparable issue would be if you have bought a new motherboard but all it supports is VGA - now, that'd be quite inconvenient (even if it's a server board that runs headless 99.99% of the time).

zamadatix 4y ago
This reminded me of an e300-8D I recently parted ways with. Bought new in 2017 but only had VGA out from the BMC... I gave away the VGA monitor I was using with it. Looking back I'm surprised I didn't just buy an active converter, it was such a pain to pull that monitor out :p.
- drdaeman 4y ago
  Same story, except that I have an ASRockRack EPYC board for a home router/server/NAS combo. Fortunately, most of server boards have a built-in LOM solution with some sort of IP-KVM. So the actual video output is only ever needed for the very first time - and that's if LOM defaults are not known. Or, well, if things break - e.g., I've had issues because management port sharing was enabled by default and I haven't realized I should turn it off until I've noticed that my server became unresponsive for IPMI-over-IP queries. I'm a bit frustrated that I had to purchase an adapter, but at least that was an one-in-a-lifetime purchase.

outworlder 4y ago

Not sure why we are comparing hardware with software here. Your motherboard can run IPv6 just fine :) You probably bought a server motherboard, so the ports are there for old KVM-type devices. Good luck buying a consumer motherboard with VGA and PS/2 ports.

toast0 4y ago
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-A-PRO-MAX https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450-A-PRO-MAX Here you go. It's a little older, but AM4 is still competitive, especially if you're using video from the CPU. In which case, the lack of a 500 series chipset isn't a big limitation.
- zamadatix 4y ago
  I raise you a B550M board! https://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=987 https://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_ID=9... Depending on the rules there's also the https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-x670-p/ https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/pr... with ps/2 and while there is no physical VGA you can passive adapter one out of the DisplayPort connector.
  - toast0 4y ago
    Passive adapters from DisplayPort to VGA sounds unlikely? Port powered adapter, sure, but unless they're doing something really weird, you need at least some DACs and maybe something to translate sync? That's unlike single channel dvi-d <-> hdmi conversion which is just a matter of connecting pins; IIUC, you can passively convert from display port to single channel dvi-d (and therefore hdmi), but dual-channel dvi-d needs active conversion too. If it were passive, I'd say it counts (maybe some board connected vga to the dvi-a pins?), but I not the OP.
    - zamadatix 4y ago
      It’s very likely I’m just assigning too much functionality to DP++ in my memories :).