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If they tell Google that you have illegal content then Google will remove it, that is how it works today everywhere. What kind of world do you think we live in?

seydor 4y ago
Which is crucial, that google has the chance to challenge the request , in court where it belongs Removing content by government insiders has only been done in authoritarian countries
- Jensson 4y ago
  Google can challenge the content flagging as well. These trusted flaggers can only flag content for Google to review, they can't remove it themselves, as far I understand it. So it is exactly the same as before, just that it is formalized. Edit: Think the Twitter files, with how the American government flags content on Twitter and then Twitter bans it. USA already has that trusted flagging system, but under the hood so you don't see it. I don't see why moving that to the open would be any worse.
  - seydor 4y ago
    > Think the Twitter files, with how the American government flags content on Twitter and then Twitter bans it Yes this is pretty much what it is, and now it is a legal requirement, and the request by the government have to be prioritized and processed 'without delay'. And if the government abuses the requests, then the website can complain to ... the government. I don't understand why you think this is normal. it is not. This "government unable to stop itself" is precisely the reason why press freedom was written into constitutions Much of EU doesn't rank low in corruption. What this means is, every 4 years the new government will be re-staffing the "national censorship service" (Digital Services Coordinator ) with its cronies. The countries which need free press the most will be affected for the worse
    - Jensson 4y ago
      > Much of EU doesn't rank very low in corruption. What this means is, every 4 years the new government will be re-staffing the "national censorship service" with its cronies. But Google could challenge that to the EU court, and the EU court isn't full of Bulgarian cronies. Or do you think that the EU court would take the side of Bulgarian cronies, really? If Bulgaria wanted to censor the internet they would already have their own laws to do it. As you said, only extremely authoritarian countries censors the way you describe here, I doubt Bulgaria would get away with it, they would get kicked out of EU if they start to create a CCP style big brother state. (I used Bulgaria as an example since it is ranked the most corrupt country in EU)
      - seydor 4y ago
        There is no EU court, only national courts can refer a case to the ECJ for consultation. There is also no way to "kick a country out of EU" PS. You can't "force" anything to go to the ECJ, only national courts decide. EU law is integrated into local law
        Jensson 4y ago
        Google could just reject their requests and force them to go to EU court. The EU court is the only reason this law would have any more bite than a local law, without it you just have Bulgaria doing their own thing and they don't have enough weight to do that.
        Scarblac 4y ago
        They would go to national court. EU directives are turned into national laws.
    - majormajor 4y ago
      Expecting technology to fix - or even be immune from - preexisting corruption is just too idealistic. There's no silver bullet for changing how a collection of people behave in the way you want.

seydor 4y ago

Which is crucial, that google has the chance to challenge the request , in court where it belongs Removing content by government insiders has only been done in authoritarian countries

Jensson 4y ago
Google can challenge the content flagging as well. These trusted flaggers can only flag content for Google to review, they can't remove it themselves, as far I understand it. So it is exactly the same as before, just that it is formalized. Edit: Think the Twitter files, with how the American government flags content on Twitter and then Twitter bans it. USA already has that trusted flagging system, but under the hood so you don't see it. I don't see why moving that to the open would be any worse.
- seydor 4y ago
  > Think the Twitter files, with how the American government flags content on Twitter and then Twitter bans it Yes this is pretty much what it is, and now it is a legal requirement, and the request by the government have to be prioritized and processed 'without delay'. And if the government abuses the requests, then the website can complain to ... the government. I don't understand why you think this is normal. it is not. This "government unable to stop itself" is precisely the reason why press freedom was written into constitutions Much of EU doesn't rank low in corruption. What this means is, every 4 years the new government will be re-staffing the "national censorship service" (Digital Services Coordinator ) with its cronies. The countries which need free press the most will be affected for the worse
  - Jensson 4y ago
    > Much of EU doesn't rank very low in corruption. What this means is, every 4 years the new government will be re-staffing the "national censorship service" with its cronies. But Google could challenge that to the EU court, and the EU court isn't full of Bulgarian cronies. Or do you think that the EU court would take the side of Bulgarian cronies, really? If Bulgaria wanted to censor the internet they would already have their own laws to do it. As you said, only extremely authoritarian countries censors the way you describe here, I doubt Bulgaria would get away with it, they would get kicked out of EU if they start to create a CCP style big brother state. (I used Bulgaria as an example since it is ranked the most corrupt country in EU)
    - seydor 4y ago
      There is no EU court, only national courts can refer a case to the ECJ for consultation. There is also no way to "kick a country out of EU" PS. You can't "force" anything to go to the ECJ, only national courts decide. EU law is integrated into local law
      - Jensson 4y ago
        Google could just reject their requests and force them to go to EU court. The EU court is the only reason this law would have any more bite than a local law, without it you just have Bulgaria doing their own thing and they don't have enough weight to do that.
        Scarblac 4y ago
        They would go to national court. EU directives are turned into national laws.
  - majormajor 4y ago
    Expecting technology to fix - or even be immune from - preexisting corruption is just too idealistic. There's no silver bullet for changing how a collection of people behave in the way you want.