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screye 4y ago
Time and again Indians prove themselves to be the most self-hating community of them all. Not everything has an agenda. > Hindus were subjugated by Muslims and English Which is historically true. All of North India has zero temples or structures of historic importance that are more than a few hundred years old. A Bihari Hindu should not have to go searching in Tamil Nadu for signs that his ancestors achieved things of significance. > Indians were better It doesn't come from a place of malice. But, as a people that have been beaten down. It does help to know that your civilization made significant contribution to shaping the world as we know it. A Muslim doesn't have to wonder, the Taj Mahal & Red fort are the 2 crowning jewels of India. India could vanish tomorrow & both Muslims + Christians would still have a flattering model of what their people had achieved in the rest of the world. Hindus are grounded in India, and (mostly) India alone. Great contributions of pre-invasion Indians do not have compete with the architectural wonders that later rulers built. Both can co-exist. The large majority of Indian Muslims & Christians trace their cultural & ethnic origins to the populace that inhabited this land for the last (at least) 4000 years. There needn't be cognitive dissonance to acknowledge the achievements of of the common ancestor as part of a unified Indian identity.
- throwaway280382 4y ago
  There is no self hate going on. What we are saying is that India was on par with rest of the world. Lets just have an objective assessment of its's past instead of white washing everything that is old. For example, we (collectively) do not know anything about drawbacks of Nalanda university. All we heard since childhood is that it is great
  - Bang2Bay 4y ago
    Do we need to find a blemish in something before enjoying its beauty/magnanimity/magnificence? :)
- dang 4y ago
  Please don't take HN threads further into political and/or nationalistic and/or religious flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - screye 4y ago
    oof, getting scolded is rough. Got it.
    - dang 4y ago
      Yeah, I know it feels bad and that's not the intention - we just have to do what we can to try to prevent this place from experiencing the default internet outcome (self-immolation), or at least to stave that off for a little longer. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=stave%20off%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
lazyninja987 4y ago
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rvense 4y ago
And what's funny is that not even this concept did the Indians invent themselves, it's just a blatant rip-off of the Arab tradition of blaming everything on the Mongols sacking Baghdad! /s
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- MPlus88 4y ago
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sremani 4y ago
India has a rich history than far pre-dates 'hindus' from Indus Valley Civilization to this day. On top of it Nalanda as Buddhist institution of learning is being highlighted here. If you are going to define what is historical truth or propaganda based on who resides in the PMO of India, then you should just stay away from this subject.
- Bang2Bay 4y ago
  hindus from rest of india have a great architectural marvels as well. not just the sindhu valley.
anaganisk 4y ago
Normally, I would agree with you, but in this context, I would say it's abad faith argument. 1. Hindus never claimed they were better than any race. They say they had an advanced understanding of science back in the days. which, in many cases, have archeological recorded evidence. 2. Northern India was plundered by invasions, which got looted of its wealth and knowledge, many temples were shut down. In those days temples played multiple roles. They played the role of banks, seed storage, schools, medical centers etc, and there were massive drives of indoctrination and destruction during that time. Which also has recorded evidence. Why do you think southern India has more Hindu cultural heritage than Northern India? There are multiple nations that have some kind of relation, ties or roots with Southern India. 3. There were several recorded attributions of scientific contributions made by Indian region scholars. 4. I read your other comment saying, we whitewashed Nalandas History, let me ask you this, why does a place of learning have drawbacks. Its a place of learning designed with a certain curriculum. You are always free not to join it if the curriculum doesnt suit you. Its like saying Havard has drawbacks because it doesnt offer Tamil Litterature degree. 5. There are several recorded interactions by scholars from foriegn regions for Nalanda. Calling Nalanda university an attempt of propganda is self hate and self depreciation. I call out propoganda always, see my comment history against govt moves, but this aint it.
dang 4y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into political and/or nationalistic and/or religious flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Time and again Indians prove themselves to be the most self-hating community of them all. Not everything has an agenda. > Hindus were subjugated by Muslims and English Which is historically true. All of North India has zero temples or structures of historic importance that are more than a few hundred years old. A Bihari Hindu should not have to go searching in Tamil Nadu for signs that his ancestors achieved things of significance. > Indians were better It doesn't come from a place of malice. But, as a people that have been beaten down. It does help to know that your civilization made significant contribution to shaping the world as we know it. A Muslim doesn't have to wonder, the Taj Mahal & Red fort are the 2 crowning jewels of India. India could vanish tomorrow & both Muslims + Christians would still have a flattering model of what their people had achieved in the rest of the world. Hindus are grounded in India, and (mostly) India alone. Great contributions of pre-invasion Indians do not have compete with the architectural wonders that later rulers built. Both can co-exist. The large majority of Indian Muslims & Christians trace their cultural & ethnic origins to the populace that inhabited this land for the last (at least) 4000 years. There needn't be cognitive dissonance to acknowledge the achievements of of the common ancestor as part of a unified Indian identity.

throwaway280382 4y ago
There is no self hate going on. What we are saying is that India was on par with rest of the world. Lets just have an objective assessment of its's past instead of white washing everything that is old. For example, we (collectively) do not know anything about drawbacks of Nalanda university. All we heard since childhood is that it is great
- Bang2Bay 4y ago
  Do we need to find a blemish in something before enjoying its beauty/magnanimity/magnificence? :)
dang 4y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into political and/or nationalistic and/or religious flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- screye 4y ago
  oof, getting scolded is rough. Got it.
  - dang 4y ago
    Yeah, I know it feels bad and that's not the intention - we just have to do what we can to try to prevent this place from experiencing the default internet outcome (self-immolation), or at least to stave that off for a little longer. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=stave%20off%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

lazyninja987 4y ago

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rvense 4y ago

And what's funny is that not even this concept did the Indians invent themselves, it's just a blatant rip-off of the Arab tradition of blaming everything on the Mongols sacking Baghdad! /s

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MPlus88 4y ago
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sremani 4y ago

India has a rich history than far pre-dates 'hindus' from Indus Valley Civilization to this day. On top of it Nalanda as Buddhist institution of learning is being highlighted here. If you are going to define what is historical truth or propaganda based on who resides in the PMO of India, then you should just stay away from this subject.

Bang2Bay 4y ago
hindus from rest of india have a great architectural marvels as well. not just the sindhu valley.

anaganisk 4y ago

Normally, I would agree with you, but in this context, I would say it's abad faith argument. 1. Hindus never claimed they were better than any race. They say they had an advanced understanding of science back in the days. which, in many cases, have archeological recorded evidence. 2. Northern India was plundered by invasions, which got looted of its wealth and knowledge, many temples were shut down. In those days temples played multiple roles. They played the role of banks, seed storage, schools, medical centers etc, and there were massive drives of indoctrination and destruction during that time. Which also has recorded evidence. Why do you think southern India has more Hindu cultural heritage than Northern India? There are multiple nations that have some kind of relation, ties or roots with Southern India. 3. There were several recorded attributions of scientific contributions made by Indian region scholars. 4. I read your other comment saying, we whitewashed Nalandas History, let me ask you this, why does a place of learning have drawbacks. Its a place of learning designed with a certain curriculum. You are always free not to join it if the curriculum doesnt suit you. Its like saying Havard has drawbacks because it doesnt offer Tamil Litterature degree. 5. There are several recorded interactions by scholars from foriegn regions for Nalanda. Calling Nalanda university an attempt of propganda is self hate and self depreciation. I call out propoganda always, see my comment history against govt moves, but this aint it.

dang 4y ago

Please don't take HN threads further into political and/or nationalistic and/or religious flamewar. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html