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It's funny to see how people who hate trucks are now carping about things like parking space now that electric trucks make gas mileage and emissions irrelevant.

It's funny to see how people who hate trucks are now carping about things like parking space now that electric trucks make gas mileage and emissions irrelevant. It's not wrong to like trucks. If we could just agree on that, the discourse wouldn't be so ridiculous. I personally don't have a truck, I don't like driving trucks, and I don't feel the need to own one. But I can also recognize that other reasonable people need or want trucks and that's fine. Sometimes I need to move a couch or a stack of drywall and I'm glad someone has a truck.

moojd 4y ago
Trucks and bicycles are just proxies for the broader culture war. As some one who likes trucks AND rides bicycles, I'm used to getting massive amounts of hate from both sides lol.
freetime2 4y ago
> electric trucks make gas mileage and emissions irrelevant. The majority of pickups being sold are still ICE, so gas mileage and emissions are definitely still relevant. Also, electricity needs to come from somewhere, and for now it still comes mainly from burning fossil fuels. So miles per kWh and their associated emissions are still relevant when it comes to EVs. > But I can also recognize that other reasonable people need or want trucks and that's fine. I agree it's not for me to decide what kind of car or truck other people should drive. But I do think the government should at least structure taxes and laws to incentivize people to drive cars with fewer social costs (emissions, safety of others in a collision, road wear, parking space, etc). Currently the US government is doing the opposite, by offering a larger tax credit for EV Trucks and SUVs, for example.
lamontcg 4y ago
> Sometimes I need to move a couch or a stack of drywall and I'm glad someone has a truck. Better find someone with an old truck since those won't fit in the bed of a new one.
- jjav 4y ago
  > Better find someone with an old truck since those won't fit in the bed of a new one. You can easily buy new long bed trucks today. I guess you're referring to how so many people are buying short bed trucks. Which I agree doesn't make sense. If you're going to get a truck, might as well maximize it's usefulness as a truck which is the whole point.
  - lamontcg 4y ago
    For the Ford F150 the long bed is only available in the lowest trim XL and XLT models (from the manufacturer). Going through the inventory posted on my local Ford dealer website, they're all short beds and supercrew or crewcab. The dealer site doesn't even list the bedsize as a feature in the specs. I'd like to see you walk in there and try to buy a regular cab long bed F150.
    - jjav 4y ago
      > For the Ford F150 the long bed is only available in the lowest trim XL and XLT models In other words, they do exist. I was able to configure a long (8ft) bed pickup at the Ford, Chevy and Ram websites, so all of them appear to sell them. Not every model/package combination exists, but it did appear easy to build a 8ft bed model if that's what I wanted.
      - lamontcg 4y ago
        The ford website literally pops up a warning "Due to a combination of high demand and global supply-chain constraints, not all models and trims or features are available to order. Contact your dealer for available inventory stock or future availability" and asks you to acknowledge that before you start doing a build. The fact that the website lets you configure it doesn't indicate that you can actually get it delivered--which is why I used dealer stock instead.
        jjav 4y ago
        > The ford website literally pops up a warning ... I saw that; it doesn't specifically say that long beds are not available though and I was able to configure many long bed configurations so I'd guess they are available. There were some configurations the tool says not available, but didn't see that for long beds. Inventory is fickle, but you could always order one. That all said, even if it's true that Ford has stopped building long beds (I have not ordered from Ford, I have a long bed Ram), there are other brands which also show long bed options available.

moojd 4y ago

Trucks and bicycles are just proxies for the broader culture war. As some one who likes trucks AND rides bicycles, I'm used to getting massive amounts of hate from both sides lol.

freetime2 4y ago

> electric trucks make gas mileage and emissions irrelevant. The majority of pickups being sold are still ICE, so gas mileage and emissions are definitely still relevant. Also, electricity needs to come from somewhere, and for now it still comes mainly from burning fossil fuels. So miles per kWh and their associated emissions are still relevant when it comes to EVs. > But I can also recognize that other reasonable people need or want trucks and that's fine. I agree it's not for me to decide what kind of car or truck other people should drive. But I do think the government should at least structure taxes and laws to incentivize people to drive cars with fewer social costs (emissions, safety of others in a collision, road wear, parking space, etc). Currently the US government is doing the opposite, by offering a larger tax credit for EV Trucks and SUVs, for example.

lamontcg 4y ago

> Sometimes I need to move a couch or a stack of drywall and I'm glad someone has a truck. Better find someone with an old truck since those won't fit in the bed of a new one.

jjav 4y ago
> Better find someone with an old truck since those won't fit in the bed of a new one. You can easily buy new long bed trucks today. I guess you're referring to how so many people are buying short bed trucks. Which I agree doesn't make sense. If you're going to get a truck, might as well maximize it's usefulness as a truck which is the whole point.
- lamontcg 4y ago
  For the Ford F150 the long bed is only available in the lowest trim XL and XLT models (from the manufacturer). Going through the inventory posted on my local Ford dealer website, they're all short beds and supercrew or crewcab. The dealer site doesn't even list the bedsize as a feature in the specs. I'd like to see you walk in there and try to buy a regular cab long bed F150.
  - jjav 4y ago
    > For the Ford F150 the long bed is only available in the lowest trim XL and XLT models In other words, they do exist. I was able to configure a long (8ft) bed pickup at the Ford, Chevy and Ram websites, so all of them appear to sell them. Not every model/package combination exists, but it did appear easy to build a 8ft bed model if that's what I wanted.
    - lamontcg 4y ago
      The ford website literally pops up a warning "Due to a combination of high demand and global supply-chain constraints, not all models and trims or features are available to order. Contact your dealer for available inventory stock or future availability" and asks you to acknowledge that before you start doing a build. The fact that the website lets you configure it doesn't indicate that you can actually get it delivered--which is why I used dealer stock instead.
      - jjav 4y ago
        > The ford website literally pops up a warning ... I saw that; it doesn't specifically say that long beds are not available though and I was able to configure many long bed configurations so I'd guess they are available. There were some configurations the tool says not available, but didn't see that for long beds. Inventory is fickle, but you could always order one. That all said, even if it's true that Ford has stopped building long beds (I have not ordered from Ford, I have a long bed Ram), there are other brands which also show long bed options available.