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If someone is not already using the holy trinity (AWS/Azure/GCP) there is probably a reason.

monsieurbanana 4y ago
I'm not using gcp anymore because it's not worth risk losing access to my personal gmail account just to play around with pet projects. I might be paranoid, but I just don't feel comfortable when there's so much in play.
- guhcampos 4y ago
  Create a new Gmail account?
  - vineyardmike 4y ago
    Google associates different accounts that are from the same owner when handling issues FYI. So if they think your account is doing something wrong on GCP, be wary of associated accounts.
    - latchkey 4y ago
      Never once heard of that.
      - miyuru 4y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17115643 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17115643
        latchkey 4y ago
        Did you read the comments? My takeaway is that it was bs.
        0cf8612b2e1e 4y ago
        There was one person strongly challenging the story and plenty of back and forth. It hardly seems a settled case one way or the other.
  - namaria 4y ago
    Separating concerns, isolating things that are not related, these are some basic tenets of good engineering. Yet we all keep rolling the ball of mud downhill and act shocked it keeps growing and swallowing everything.
    - latchkey 4y ago
      That's the beauty of the services I named. Super easy to roll the code to any other similar PaaS provider. There is no vendor lockin. It is postgres + http handlers.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 4y ago
  Totally agree with this mindset. My digital life is on the line because Google refuses to separate services.
amluto 4y ago
Egress pricing, for one. fly.io charges an outrageous 2 cents/GB. Google is over 4x that. At fly.io rates, 1Gbps average over a month is $6400/mo. Google is tiered and you’re looking at over $10k/mo. For comparison, a cheap managed switch that can handle 1Gbps costs about $100, maybe a bit more if you want a nice one. A nice router is more. You can rent an entire rack, including power, cooling, and an unmetered 1Gbps for $300-$1k/mo (with maybe some wiggle room on both ends). You can buy a pretty nice server, amortize the price over a week or two, and still come out ahead. You certainly get considerable value from a major cloud provider, and a lot of their other services are reasonably priced, but, depending on your workload, the egress prices and the corresponding Hotel California factor may make using a major cloud provider a poor proposition.
- re-thc 4y ago
  It's potentially a lot more for the big clouds. Anything in the network path has a charge - load balancers, NAT gateways, etc.
  - amluto 4y ago
    The cost of egress plus a gateway or two is fairly close to the cost of burning a DVD twenty years ago. And it appears to actually be cheaper to burn DVDs and mail them today than to send data from a major cloud. This becomes very relevant for things like archiving data. If you generate data outside of a major cloud, you can pay a major cloud a very reasonable fee to archive it for you. But if you ever download your archive, it will cost you about half the price of buying an external disk to store it on. (To be fair, object storage is rather more reliable than a single crappy external drive. But if you access the data more than once, maybe you should have a colo or on-prem copy too.)
- latchkey 4y ago
  Depending on what I'm building, I tend to cache on the edge with something like CloudFlare in front of GCP. Lowers the egress charges significantly, with the benefit of speeding everything up too.

I'm not using gcp anymore because it's not worth risk losing access to my personal gmail account just to play around with pet projects. I might be paranoid, but I just don't feel comfortable when there's so much in play.

guhcampos 4y ago
Create a new Gmail account?
- vineyardmike 4y ago
  Google associates different accounts that are from the same owner when handling issues FYI. So if they think your account is doing something wrong on GCP, be wary of associated accounts.
  - latchkey 4y ago
    Never once heard of that.
    - miyuru 4y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17115643 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17115643
      - latchkey 4y ago
        Did you read the comments? My takeaway is that it was bs.
        0cf8612b2e1e 4y ago
        There was one person strongly challenging the story and plenty of back and forth. It hardly seems a settled case one way or the other.
- namaria 4y ago
  Separating concerns, isolating things that are not related, these are some basic tenets of good engineering. Yet we all keep rolling the ball of mud downhill and act shocked it keeps growing and swallowing everything.
  - latchkey 4y ago
    That's the beauty of the services I named. Super easy to roll the code to any other similar PaaS provider. There is no vendor lockin. It is postgres + http handlers.
0cf8612b2e1e 4y ago
Totally agree with this mindset. My digital life is on the line because Google refuses to separate services.

amluto 4y ago

Egress pricing, for one. fly.io charges an outrageous 2 cents/GB. Google is over 4x that. At fly.io rates, 1Gbps average over a month is $6400/mo. Google is tiered and you’re looking at over $10k/mo. For comparison, a cheap managed switch that can handle 1Gbps costs about $100, maybe a bit more if you want a nice one. A nice router is more. You can rent an entire rack, including power, cooling, and an unmetered 1Gbps for $300-$1k/mo (with maybe some wiggle room on both ends). You can buy a pretty nice server, amortize the price over a week or two, and still come out ahead. You certainly get considerable value from a major cloud provider, and a lot of their other services are reasonably priced, but, depending on your workload, the egress prices and the corresponding Hotel California factor may make using a major cloud provider a poor proposition.

re-thc 4y ago
It's potentially a lot more for the big clouds. Anything in the network path has a charge - load balancers, NAT gateways, etc.
- amluto 4y ago
  The cost of egress plus a gateway or two is fairly close to the cost of burning a DVD twenty years ago. And it appears to actually be cheaper to burn DVDs and mail them today than to send data from a major cloud. This becomes very relevant for things like archiving data. If you generate data outside of a major cloud, you can pay a major cloud a very reasonable fee to archive it for you. But if you ever download your archive, it will cost you about half the price of buying an external disk to store it on. (To be fair, object storage is rather more reliable than a single crappy external drive. But if you access the data more than once, maybe you should have a colo or on-prem copy too.)
latchkey 4y ago
Depending on what I'm building, I tend to cache on the edge with something like CloudFlare in front of GCP. Lowers the egress charges significantly, with the benefit of speeding everything up too.