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If you actually looked at actions, you would see that Canada exploits its people vastly more than they exploit any of the resources that exist here. Very cursor

by AwaAwa 4y ago

If you actually looked at actions, you would see that Canada exploits its people vastly more than they exploit any of the resources that exist here. Very cursory example is the price of gas, for a country with the 3rd highest reserves in the world, and the addition of a carbon tax, while inflation is at record highs, when the Canadian footprint is negligible in comparison to the amount of trees here working as a carbon sink. If you were to look at the details, I do not doubt that it would be the same in Europe. Please don't think that any of the 'developed' countries are holier-than-US.

scottiebarnes 4y ago
Carbon and environmental externalities get displaced along with the manufacturing/industrial base. If you buy "stuff", you participate in the exploitation of nature.
gruez 4y ago
>Very cursory example is the price of gas, for a country with the 3rd highest reserves in the world, and the addition of a carbon tax, while inflation is at record highs, when the Canadian footprint is negligible in comparison to the amount of trees here working as a carbon sink. 1. "Addition of a carbon" tax is highly misleading because it was enacted almost half a decade ago, and while there was an increase in carbon taxes during an inflationary period, that was scheduled years before.[1] 2. Dropping carbon (or similar) taxes to fight inflation is terrible policy. It's untargeted, benefits rich people more (the more gas you use the more you benefit), and encourages more consumption by lowering prices. If you want to provide relief, targeted subsidies work far better. 3. Carbon in the atmosphere is fungible so whether there are trees or not in your country is irrelevant. If your country is pumping 20 tons (or whatever) of carbon into the air, that's still 20 tons of carbon that's heating the atmosphere, or 20 tons that a developing country can no longer emit. 4. Forests are "carbon sinks" in the sense that if you keep them around you'll keep a lot of co2 from entering the atmosphere, but mature forests don't suck much carbon out of the atmosphere (on net). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Canada#2020:_Updated_federal_carbon_price,_reaching_$170_in_2030 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Canada#2020:...

by AwaAwa 4y ago

scottiebarnes 4y ago

Carbon and environmental externalities get displaced along with the manufacturing/industrial base. If you buy "stuff", you participate in the exploitation of nature.

gruez 4y ago

>Very cursory example is the price of gas, for a country with the 3rd highest reserves in the world, and the addition of a carbon tax, while inflation is at record highs, when the Canadian footprint is negligible in comparison to the amount of trees here working as a carbon sink. 1. "Addition of a carbon" tax is highly misleading because it was enacted almost half a decade ago, and while there was an increase in carbon taxes during an inflationary period, that was scheduled years before.[1] 2. Dropping carbon (or similar) taxes to fight inflation is terrible policy. It's untargeted, benefits rich people more (the more gas you use the more you benefit), and encourages more consumption by lowering prices. If you want to provide relief, targeted subsidies work far better. 3. Carbon in the atmosphere is fungible so whether there are trees or not in your country is irrelevant. If your country is pumping 20 tons (or whatever) of carbon into the air, that's still 20 tons of carbon that's heating the atmosphere, or 20 tons that a developing country can no longer emit. 4. Forests are "carbon sinks" in the sense that if you keep them around you'll keep a lot of co2 from entering the atmosphere, but mature forests don't suck much carbon out of the atmosphere (on net). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Canada#2020:_Updated_federal_carbon_price,_reaching_$170_in_2030 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Canada#2020:...