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There's definitely a correlation. But not having layoffs just doesn't mean no outages.

by grumple 4y ago

mjr00 4y ago
> There's definitely a correlation. Where is the evidence of this?
- jeromegv 4y ago
  What evidence do you expect? It's not like Twitter is going to show us a post morterm from their outage. Anyone who knows and uses twitter quite a bit can see that things have been wonky on the sites. Big users have mentioned tons of issues (their mentions being empty, twitter threads going broken, some tweets never reaching their audience not even a bit), etc, etc. It's all anecdotal of course, we can't build a case of evidence, this is a private company and all the shit internally is private. But things are getting worse, not better. Even those big initiatives announced are not actually happening, that paid and free API plan that was supposed to be released in 7 days? It's been a month and nothing. Things are not "normal" and clearly the lack of engineering talent is slowing a lot of things down (both new development and infrastructure resilience).
  - mjr00 4y ago
    Assuming that you are correct that things are breaking more at Twitter (which I'm not sure is accurate to begin with), how do you know that is due to "lack of engineering talent" and not due to higher pressure to deliver features? As anyone who has operated a software system knows, the #1 reason things break in production is new code, and from a third-party observer with no inside knowledge it certainly seems like more changes are happening at Twitter than ever. This is orthogonal to layoffs, though.
- grumple 4y ago
  https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=Twitter%20down https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge... Best source I could find. Currentlydown didn't even register yesterday's outage, and downdetector doesn't share historical data.

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There's definitely a correlation. But not having layoffs just doesn't mean no outages.

by grumple 4y ago

There's definitely a correlation. But not having layoffs just doesn't mean no outages.

mjr00 4y ago
> There's definitely a correlation. Where is the evidence of this?
- jeromegv 4y ago
  What evidence do you expect? It's not like Twitter is going to show us a post morterm from their outage. Anyone who knows and uses twitter quite a bit can see that things have been wonky on the sites. Big users have mentioned tons of issues (their mentions being empty, twitter threads going broken, some tweets never reaching their audience not even a bit), etc, etc. It's all anecdotal of course, we can't build a case of evidence, this is a private company and all the shit internally is private. But things are getting worse, not better. Even those big initiatives announced are not actually happening, that paid and free API plan that was supposed to be released in 7 days? It's been a month and nothing. Things are not "normal" and clearly the lack of engineering talent is slowing a lot of things down (both new development and infrastructure resilience).
  - mjr00 4y ago
    Assuming that you are correct that things are breaking more at Twitter (which I'm not sure is accurate to begin with), how do you know that is due to "lack of engineering talent" and not due to higher pressure to deliver features? As anyone who has operated a software system knows, the #1 reason things break in production is new code, and from a third-party observer with no inside knowledge it certainly seems like more changes are happening at Twitter than ever. This is orthogonal to layoffs, though.
- grumple 4y ago
  https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=Twitter%20down https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge... Best source I could find. Currentlydown didn't even register yesterday's outage, and downdetector doesn't share historical data.