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Certainly. I've been in a poorly run business that did this, and I quit. But I don't mind working late every now and during crunch time, it gets paid forward,

Certainly. I've been in a poorly run business that did this, and I quit. But I don't mind working late every now and during crunch time, it gets paid forward, usually with time off later. It's about your relationship with your company. My point was from the sounds of it GP had a good relationship and had fun and no-one on HN should tell them what to do because they don't know the situation.

roflyear 4y ago
99% of companies who need this don't pay it forward.
- MrOwnPut 4y ago
  99% of companies who need this do pay it forward. Shall we source our percentages or just keep throwing them out?
  - roflyear 4y ago
    Lol, it's obvious I'm not stating a real number. Relax.
    - MrOwnPut 4y ago
      Yeah I know. I was making a point about arbitrary statements and anecdotes. Relax.
      - runarberg 4y ago
        As far as I know there is shamefully little research on corporate behavior. Most research I hear about has to do with gender pay gap and only in jurisdictions which mandate it (I wonder why this is). I think our best estimate of corporate behavior is to look at union contracts, and union demands. Almost universally union contracts prohibit workers from working outside of set number of daily, weekly, and monthly hours. Usually there are some clauses for extraordinary circumstances, but I’ve never worked under a union contract which had less than 11 hours mandatory rest between shifts (even in an emergency) which effectively prohibits all nighters. I’ve seen contracts that go down to 7 hours if absolutely necessary (and every hour infringing on 12 hour rest is payed with 90% penalty) but never 0. Why do unions demand this? My best guess is that this is a common exploitation tactic by corporations, and thusly a common complaint from union members. Thus we can reasonably assume that many (most?) workers who have worked unreasonably long hours have not seen their just benefits for doing so and felt exploited. Now it would be nice if corporations kept statistics on this, or if there ware regular surveys by governments or impartial research centers so we could get a more accurate picture, but as far as I know, as it stands, this is our best method, and it is not in favor of this practice.

roflyear 4y ago

99% of companies who need this don't pay it forward.

MrOwnPut 4y ago
99% of companies who need this do pay it forward. Shall we source our percentages or just keep throwing them out?
- roflyear 4y ago
  Lol, it's obvious I'm not stating a real number. Relax.
  - MrOwnPut 4y ago
    Yeah I know. I was making a point about arbitrary statements and anecdotes. Relax.
    - runarberg 4y ago
      As far as I know there is shamefully little research on corporate behavior. Most research I hear about has to do with gender pay gap and only in jurisdictions which mandate it (I wonder why this is). I think our best estimate of corporate behavior is to look at union contracts, and union demands. Almost universally union contracts prohibit workers from working outside of set number of daily, weekly, and monthly hours. Usually there are some clauses for extraordinary circumstances, but I’ve never worked under a union contract which had less than 11 hours mandatory rest between shifts (even in an emergency) which effectively prohibits all nighters. I’ve seen contracts that go down to 7 hours if absolutely necessary (and every hour infringing on 12 hour rest is payed with 90% penalty) but never 0. Why do unions demand this? My best guess is that this is a common exploitation tactic by corporations, and thusly a common complaint from union members. Thus we can reasonably assume that many (most?) workers who have worked unreasonably long hours have not seen their just benefits for doing so and felt exploited. Now it would be nice if corporations kept statistics on this, or if there ware regular surveys by governments or impartial research centers so we could get a more accurate picture, but as far as I know, as it stands, this is our best method, and it is not in favor of this practice.