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I believe GP said he had fun. People should be allowed to work how they want to, they have the freedom (especially in this industry) to go elsewhere. I've pull
by MrOwnPut 4y ago
I believe GP said he had fun. People should be allowed to work how they want to, they have the freedom (especially in this industry) to go elsewhere.
I've pulled late nights, they bought us pizza and gave us a half day later. Sometimes you have to put in work during critical times.
It's certainly not construction work anyway, people are kinda soft here sometimes.
- runarberg 4y ago> People should be allowed to work how they want to I disagree. There is a race to the bottom and a tragedy of the commons. A company could easily exploit this by gamifying the work and hiring workers with addictive tendencies. Most national labor laws and labor contracts set a maximum number of daily and weekly working hours for a reason. Workplace safety is only one of those reasons.
- MrOwnPut 4y agoSafety laws are fine, we're talking about a person saying they enjoyed a late night coding session.
- runarberg 4y agoYes, and if they do, there is a risk of company exploiting that person and their co-workers for underpaid labor. One worker’s enjoyment of work does not justify this risk.
- MrOwnPut 4y agoWho said they were underpaid?
- runarberg 4y agoNobody, but you must see how this can be abused to do so. A system that can be abused will be abused given the right incentives. As it stands companies are incentivized to pay as little for labor as they can get away with, and if they are allowed to “allow” workers to work excessive overtime, they will. And it will cost every other worker our free time. If you enjoy your work, that’s great, just do your work during work hours, don’t use your free time to undervalue other workers in the industry.
- MrOwnPut 4y agoI'm simply saying you don't know the situation, how GP was compensated, etc. Yes, shit companies exist and abuse their employees. You quit and move on. There's no indication that this was happening.
- runarberg 4y agoI think we might be arguing about different things here. You’re saying that it worked for OP, that is fine, I don’t disagree with that, however I do disagree with this practice, because as a whole it is not good for us workers in this industry. This behavior is ripe for abuse, and companies do abuse it unless there is a collective action against it (through regulation, union contracts, etc.) Like you said, if you work for a company which expects this from you, and you quit as a result, they can simply hire someone else that takes the abuse, and that is not a good prospects for us workers in this industry. Which is the reason I’m asking OP not to do this. Even though they had fun and were handsomely compensated, this behavior does a net disservice for the rest of us.
- JohnFen 4y agoIt all depends. If a business operates expecting this from employees, that business is being abusive. If a business got into trouble and employees are sacrificing to help it out, that's just an emergency. And it should be exceedingly rare -- if it's not, that's a poorly run business.
- MrOwnPut 4y agoCertainly. I've been in a poorly run business that did this, and I quit. But I don't mind working late every now and during crunch time, it gets paid forward, usually with time off later. It's about your relationship with your company. My point was from the sounds of it GP had a good relationship and had fun and no-one on HN should tell them what to do because they don't know the situation.
- roflyear 4y agoMaybe he had fun, but almost everyone has better things to do than to spend 24hr+ at their office in a row. I worked some 16 hour shifts (got OT) and I regret it.