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There's a huge cultural difference there though -- people don't trust stocks, bonds, or bank accounts. Housing is the only investment most people will consider.

ianlevesque 4y ago
Nor should they, cultural or not. Look how the government destroyed the Ant group recently. When they can unilaterally do that, how can you find a safe stock?
- majani 4y ago
  Land in China is all leased from the government, so there's no escaping government risk there without leaving the country
hinkley 4y ago
There are old men who still remember their neighbors being dragged out of those houses, tried, and executed by Mao's kangaroo courts. Most martial arts schools with ties to China have stories of expatriation or of practicing in the dark in basements. All those houses bought in Vancouver aren't just about financial investments, they're also a potential bolt-hole if things get ugly again.
- btilly 4y ago
  Also those houses are being bought with money being smuggled out of China. For all of the reasons that patio11 gives in https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/money-laundering-and-aml-compliance/ https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/money-laundering-and-..., real estate is an excellent investment for money whose provenance you wish to be hard to discover.
- redmorphium 4y ago
  This is a negative way to look at China's history. As a Chinese-American, whose family and friends all profited greatly from China's rise, I do wonder, how much of that profit was just being lucky enough to support the "winning team," and how much blood was shed on the other side. I guess the only true mindset is a neutral one.
  - hinkley 4y ago
    We have a model for that in your birth country (American Civil War). But from my fractured knowledge of Chinese history, there's been a lot less backpedaling vis-a-vis the Civil War on ideological differences between the winning and losing side (and we mostly lament those as regression instead of progress). In China, things have come back. People who escaped were invited back with promises of better treatment, even given platforms (eg, martial arts) but who knows what we Earthlings have lost from people who didn't. Biomechanics, biology, art, technology, philosophy...
pzone 4y ago
The Chinese situation is caused by government rather than by their culture. Chinese corporations are forced into inefficient state-mandated investments and provide meager rates of returns for shareholders. They get tons of shiny public infrastructure while savers are given nothing, and are not allowed to invest internationally. In other words, it is pure financial repression.
xboxnolifes 4y ago
Sounds a lot like the US to me.

ianlevesque 4y ago

Nor should they, cultural or not. Look how the government destroyed the Ant group recently. When they can unilaterally do that, how can you find a safe stock?

majani 4y ago
Land in China is all leased from the government, so there's no escaping government risk there without leaving the country

hinkley 4y ago

There are old men who still remember their neighbors being dragged out of those houses, tried, and executed by Mao's kangaroo courts. Most martial arts schools with ties to China have stories of expatriation or of practicing in the dark in basements. All those houses bought in Vancouver aren't just about financial investments, they're also a potential bolt-hole if things get ugly again.

btilly 4y ago
Also those houses are being bought with money being smuggled out of China. For all of the reasons that patio11 gives in https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/money-laundering-and-aml-compliance/ https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/money-laundering-and-..., real estate is an excellent investment for money whose provenance you wish to be hard to discover.
redmorphium 4y ago
This is a negative way to look at China's history. As a Chinese-American, whose family and friends all profited greatly from China's rise, I do wonder, how much of that profit was just being lucky enough to support the "winning team," and how much blood was shed on the other side. I guess the only true mindset is a neutral one.
- hinkley 4y ago
  We have a model for that in your birth country (American Civil War). But from my fractured knowledge of Chinese history, there's been a lot less backpedaling vis-a-vis the Civil War on ideological differences between the winning and losing side (and we mostly lament those as regression instead of progress). In China, things have come back. People who escaped were invited back with promises of better treatment, even given platforms (eg, martial arts) but who knows what we Earthlings have lost from people who didn't. Biomechanics, biology, art, technology, philosophy...

pzone 4y ago

The Chinese situation is caused by government rather than by their culture. Chinese corporations are forced into inefficient state-mandated investments and provide meager rates of returns for shareholders. They get tons of shiny public infrastructure while savers are given nothing, and are not allowed to invest internationally. In other words, it is pure financial repression.

xboxnolifes 4y ago

Sounds a lot like the US to me.