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If fishing was done on land and not miles off sea and underwater where the public can't see what's going on - I'm sure there would be much more care about how w

If fishing was done on land and not miles off sea and underwater where the public can't see what's going on - I'm sure there would be much more care about how we fished and it wouldn't take a massive collapse in fish populations before something was done about it. It seems no matter where in the world the same thing is happening in different ways and there seems to be a common response: it's not us - its foreign fisherman, big fishing companies, climate change, different types of fisherman, marine use etc.

nervousvarun 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation_(2003_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation_(2003_film)
- metalliqaz 4y ago
  After watching that, may I suggest Parallax[1]. [1]https://youtu.be/42XcN52xEfU https://youtu.be/42XcN52xEfU
  - noduerme 4y ago
    I just watched all 5 of these and was pretty amused. That being said, it's so tongue-in-cheek it kinda defeats the purpose of social commentary.
notch898a 4y ago
I worked on an Alaskan fishing vessel. They had a live aboard agent of the state making sure everything we did was kosher. I don't think the Russians in the Bering Sea had such restraints.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  the right response here is to prioritize the fish populations with the best available tech; a challenge common to all civilized people
giantg2 4y ago
"If fishing was done on land and not miles off sea and underwater where the public can't see what's going on - I'm sure there would be much more care about how we fished and it wouldn't take a massive collapse in fish populations before something was done about it." I think that's a but wishful. Just look at stuff like CAFOs. The majority of consumers don't give a damn as long as the price in the store is cheap enough. They're not thinking of where the stuff they're buying came from.
- ccooffee 4y ago
  I hadn't heard the term CAFO before. Here's a fact sheet from the Sierra Club about these "Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations": https://www.sierraclub.org/michigan/why-are-cafos-bad https://www.sierraclub.org/michigan/why-are-cafos-bad I've done a lot of highway driving around the US and CAFOs are probably the worst part of it. They are depressing to look at, and you can often smell them miles before you see them. Central California, all of Nebraska, and Northern Indiana are three places that stand out in my mind for having outrageous "density" of abhorrent-smelling places.
  - alexpotato 4y ago
    I was born with no sense of smell and have worked in tech relate fields for the past 15 years. I used to joke that senior tech role at Waste Management would be an efficient pairing but the CAFO angle was unknown to me before this. PS HN being HN, I realize that even if I can't smell, my clothes etc might acquire an odor from being in smelly places.
- pvaldes 4y ago
  > If fishing was done on land I'm sure there would be much more care about how we fished viva Las Vegas
- alfalfasprout 4y ago
  There's a correlated issue here-- housing (and other goods) have gotten so expensive with respect to real wages that most consumers don't really have much of a choice. Wealth inequality is a huge part of the reason consumers won't opt for the more eco-friendly or ethical options on the market.
paulcole 4y ago
The public only cares about what is affecting them today and is right in front of their face. And often even then they don't care that much about those things. Generally speaking, people as individuals are simply not willing to change and will always point to someone else as being the problem. The only thing that has a chance at "solving" climate change and environmental collapse is individual action and individual change.
- sksndoffnd 4y ago
  This is nonsense pushed by industrial lobbyists. The driving factors of climate change: * industrial * end of list Individuals changing their behavior will not do a single thing to solve, reduce, or delay the climate crisis. It’s a feel-good thing for individuals to do, yes, but it doesn’t help in the slightest.
  - paulcole 4y ago
    It's almost like industries are run by people who make decisions. Those people need to change their behavior as well.
- Loquebantur 4y ago
  You are directly contradicting yourself in the last sentence? This nonsense-belief of "individual change" as a necessary precursor to societal adaptation of necessary policies is an absurdity most likely cooked up by industry spin-doctors. Of course, it is exactly the other way around. Abstract insight into a problem and its solution needs to be implemented into policy by the government. That is it's primary function.
  - WeylandYutani 4y ago
    I don't eat seafood. Seems like a choice people could make (in fairness it is not an ideological decision for me I just can't stand the stuff).
  - randomdata 4y ago
    > Abstract insight into a problem and its solution needs to be implemented into policy by the government. That's all well and good if you live in a dictatorship, but those of us under democracy are lead by the same individuals that who won't act. Only once they have decided to act and feel the need to clean up the outliers who continue to go against the grain will they use their governmental powers.
erellsworth 4y ago
I'm not so sure about that. The horrors of factory farming happen on land and while a lot of people criticize it, nothing much has been done about it since the 30s.
- Animatronio 4y ago
  Something has been done about it, just not what one would hope. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag
  - erellsworth 4y ago
    Yeah, that tracks. ALEC is behind a lot of reprehensible legislation.
- randomdata 4y ago
  Factory farming mostly takes place inside barns so, for all practical purposes, it is not really any more visible than fishing.
Tiktaalik 4y ago
don't forget fishermen blaming seals! lol

nervousvarun 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation_(2003_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation_(2003_film)

metalliqaz 4y ago
After watching that, may I suggest Parallax[1]. [1]https://youtu.be/42XcN52xEfU https://youtu.be/42XcN52xEfU
- noduerme 4y ago
  I just watched all 5 of these and was pretty amused. That being said, it's so tongue-in-cheek it kinda defeats the purpose of social commentary.

notch898a 4y ago

I worked on an Alaskan fishing vessel. They had a live aboard agent of the state making sure everything we did was kosher. I don't think the Russians in the Bering Sea had such restraints.

mistrial9 4y ago
the right response here is to prioritize the fish populations with the best available tech; a challenge common to all civilized people

giantg2 4y ago

"If fishing was done on land and not miles off sea and underwater where the public can't see what's going on - I'm sure there would be much more care about how we fished and it wouldn't take a massive collapse in fish populations before something was done about it." I think that's a but wishful. Just look at stuff like CAFOs. The majority of consumers don't give a damn as long as the price in the store is cheap enough. They're not thinking of where the stuff they're buying came from.

ccooffee 4y ago
I hadn't heard the term CAFO before. Here's a fact sheet from the Sierra Club about these "Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations": https://www.sierraclub.org/michigan/why-are-cafos-bad https://www.sierraclub.org/michigan/why-are-cafos-bad I've done a lot of highway driving around the US and CAFOs are probably the worst part of it. They are depressing to look at, and you can often smell them miles before you see them. Central California, all of Nebraska, and Northern Indiana are three places that stand out in my mind for having outrageous "density" of abhorrent-smelling places.
- alexpotato 4y ago
  I was born with no sense of smell and have worked in tech relate fields for the past 15 years. I used to joke that senior tech role at Waste Management would be an efficient pairing but the CAFO angle was unknown to me before this. PS HN being HN, I realize that even if I can't smell, my clothes etc might acquire an odor from being in smelly places.
pvaldes 4y ago
> If fishing was done on land I'm sure there would be much more care about how we fished viva Las Vegas
alfalfasprout 4y ago
There's a correlated issue here-- housing (and other goods) have gotten so expensive with respect to real wages that most consumers don't really have much of a choice. Wealth inequality is a huge part of the reason consumers won't opt for the more eco-friendly or ethical options on the market.

paulcole 4y ago

The public only cares about what is affecting them today and is right in front of their face. And often even then they don't care that much about those things. Generally speaking, people as individuals are simply not willing to change and will always point to someone else as being the problem. The only thing that has a chance at "solving" climate change and environmental collapse is individual action and individual change.

sksndoffnd 4y ago
This is nonsense pushed by industrial lobbyists. The driving factors of climate change: * industrial * end of list Individuals changing their behavior will not do a single thing to solve, reduce, or delay the climate crisis. It’s a feel-good thing for individuals to do, yes, but it doesn’t help in the slightest.
- paulcole 4y ago
  It's almost like industries are run by people who make decisions. Those people need to change their behavior as well.
Loquebantur 4y ago
You are directly contradicting yourself in the last sentence? This nonsense-belief of "individual change" as a necessary precursor to societal adaptation of necessary policies is an absurdity most likely cooked up by industry spin-doctors. Of course, it is exactly the other way around. Abstract insight into a problem and its solution needs to be implemented into policy by the government. That is it's primary function.
- WeylandYutani 4y ago
  I don't eat seafood. Seems like a choice people could make (in fairness it is not an ideological decision for me I just can't stand the stuff).
- randomdata 4y ago
  > Abstract insight into a problem and its solution needs to be implemented into policy by the government. That's all well and good if you live in a dictatorship, but those of us under democracy are lead by the same individuals that who won't act. Only once they have decided to act and feel the need to clean up the outliers who continue to go against the grain will they use their governmental powers.

erellsworth 4y ago

I'm not so sure about that. The horrors of factory farming happen on land and while a lot of people criticize it, nothing much has been done about it since the 30s.

Animatronio 4y ago
Something has been done about it, just not what one would hope. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ag-gag
- erellsworth 4y ago
  Yeah, that tracks. ALEC is behind a lot of reprehensible legislation.
randomdata 4y ago
Factory farming mostly takes place inside barns so, for all practical purposes, it is not really any more visible than fishing.

Tiktaalik 4y ago

don't forget fishermen blaming seals! lol