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Perhaps the way hn comments work. I read this page earlier this morning and all the comments were about how nobody wanted anything to do with Elon Musk. Now it

Perhaps the way hn comments work. I read this page earlier this morning and all the comments were about how nobody wanted anything to do with Elon Musk. Now it is different.

capableweb 4y ago
No, aqme28 is wrong. There were comments about Musk before your comment. The very first comment on this submission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041016) was indeed about Musk, and also the second one (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041042). Then there were others (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041092) as well mixed into the whole thing, before you made your comment about it.
- aqme28 4y ago
  I am not wrong. The comment-ordering is not the same when I viewed the page as it was when you viewed the page. The comments are arranged based on score and time posted. They're not going to be the same for every user who visits the page.
  - capableweb 4y ago
    Here is the same comments ordered by time rather than score: https://ditzes.com/item/35040763 https://ditzes.com/item/35040763 (you can also go directly to https://ditzes.com/item/35040763#item-35041285 https://ditzes.com/item/35040763#item-35041285 and scroll upwards, every comment above that one was made before it) You can clearly see that there are mentions about Musk before Vermeulen made their comment. (also, you can hover the "N minutes/hours ago" and see the timestamp on HN too, which again will show you which chronological order things were posted in)
    - aqme28 4y ago
      Why do you need me to prove this to you? Here’s my view: https://ibb.co/W2kvvmz https://ibb.co/W2kvvmz You can “clearly see” that this musk comment is third.
      - capableweb 4y ago
        You said "this point in time, yours is the first comment to mention him" I took "First" to mean in time, not order of the page. I guess I understood you wrong, because if you're talking about time, their comment was not the first to mention Musk. But I guess if you mean "first" as in "highest on the page", then you're right that it's higher up. But as you know, comments are not ordered by time, but time + score, but somehow this point seems to be lost while crossing through the wires.
        aqme28 4y ago
        You're relaying something I said earlier because you didn't read my comment that you responded to. "The comments are arranged based on score and time posted. They're not going to be the same for every user who visits the page."
        capableweb 4y ago
        Ok, you're still not getting it. Yes, if you just look from top to bottom, you're not seeing the chronological order of when comments happened. When you say "you made the first comment" you're implying "first" in the chronological order.

Perhaps the way hn comments work. I read this page earlier this morning and all the comments were about how nobody wanted anything to do with Elon Musk. Now it is different.

capableweb 4y ago

No, aqme28 is wrong. There were comments about Musk before your comment. The very first comment on this submission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041016) was indeed about Musk, and also the second one (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041042). Then there were others (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35041092) as well mixed into the whole thing, before you made your comment about it.

aqme28 4y ago
I am not wrong. The comment-ordering is not the same when I viewed the page as it was when you viewed the page. The comments are arranged based on score and time posted. They're not going to be the same for every user who visits the page.
- capableweb 4y ago
  Here is the same comments ordered by time rather than score: https://ditzes.com/item/35040763 https://ditzes.com/item/35040763 (you can also go directly to https://ditzes.com/item/35040763#item-35041285 https://ditzes.com/item/35040763#item-35041285 and scroll upwards, every comment above that one was made before it) You can clearly see that there are mentions about Musk before Vermeulen made their comment. (also, you can hover the "N minutes/hours ago" and see the timestamp on HN too, which again will show you which chronological order things were posted in)
  - aqme28 4y ago
    Why do you need me to prove this to you? Here’s my view: https://ibb.co/W2kvvmz https://ibb.co/W2kvvmz You can “clearly see” that this musk comment is third.
    - capableweb 4y ago
      You said "this point in time, yours is the first comment to mention him" I took "First" to mean in time, not order of the page. I guess I understood you wrong, because if you're talking about time, their comment was not the first to mention Musk. But I guess if you mean "first" as in "highest on the page", then you're right that it's higher up. But as you know, comments are not ordered by time, but time + score, but somehow this point seems to be lost while crossing through the wires.
      - aqme28 4y ago
        You're relaying something I said earlier because you didn't read my comment that you responded to. "The comments are arranged based on score and time posted. They're not going to be the same for every user who visits the page."
        capableweb 4y ago
        Ok, you're still not getting it. Yes, if you just look from top to bottom, you're not seeing the chronological order of when comments happened. When you say "you made the first comment" you're implying "first" in the chronological order.