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> It bears no relevance to the international recognition of LNR and DNR's independence, legitimacy of Ukraine's government and the Crimean referendum. Sure it

by yucky 4y ago

> It bears no relevance to the international recognition of LNR and DNR's independence, legitimacy of Ukraine's government and the Crimean referendum. Sure it does, it speaks to our hypocrisy and why our position on these matters is irrelevant. We recognize Kosovo and twist others arms to do so, and then not respect Crimeans desire to be annexed to Russia or LNR & DNR independence for no other reason than it doesn't fit our foreign policy objectives. It has nothing to do with the desires of the actual people that live there. But you're right, it's a waste of time to discuss. You're such an apologist for our foreign policy fuckups that you can't even acknowledge the trainwrecks we've caused along the way.

mopsi 4y ago
I already showed how the assumption that the US can "twist others' arms" is not gounded in reality. The UN has a long and rich history of adopting resolutions that criticise US policy on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, yet here no-one sides with Russia. It's quite surprising that even Belarus, which is internationally isolated, heavily depends on Russia, is deeply infiltrated by Russian intelligence services, and hosts a large contingent of Russian armed forces on its territory (to the extent that some don't even consider it independent anymore), refuses to fully endorse Russian narrative. Are they too under American influence? Takes a strange kind of provincialism to attribute everything that's going on in the world to the US.
- yucky 4y ago
  > the assumption that the US can "twist others' arms" is not gounded in reality. It took me this long to realize you've been trolling me. Well played.
  - mopsi 4y ago
    You are the only troll here. Instead of engaging in a conversation, you just throw talking points at me, and when I debunk them, you desperately try to move to new talking points. Not once have you said anything that would leave an impression of you as of a human; it feels like I am responding to someone reading off a script. Throughout the conversation, I've known three steps ahead what you'd write, because it's the same old tired script without any freedom to deviate into topics like the foreign policy of Belarus regarding Ukraine, LNR and DNR. I've seen zero original thought. Even utterly brainwashed Russians have some original reasoning to glue official talking points together to cope with the situation and justify it. You offer nothing. Even modern chatbots aren't this stiff and stuck to the script.

by yucky 4y ago

mopsi 4y ago

I already showed how the assumption that the US can "twist others' arms" is not gounded in reality. The UN has a long and rich history of adopting resolutions that criticise US policy on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, yet here no-one sides with Russia. It's quite surprising that even Belarus, which is internationally isolated, heavily depends on Russia, is deeply infiltrated by Russian intelligence services, and hosts a large contingent of Russian armed forces on its territory (to the extent that some don't even consider it independent anymore), refuses to fully endorse Russian narrative. Are they too under American influence? Takes a strange kind of provincialism to attribute everything that's going on in the world to the US.

yucky 4y ago
> the assumption that the US can "twist others' arms" is not gounded in reality. It took me this long to realize you've been trolling me. Well played.
- mopsi 4y ago
  You are the only troll here. Instead of engaging in a conversation, you just throw talking points at me, and when I debunk them, you desperately try to move to new talking points. Not once have you said anything that would leave an impression of you as of a human; it feels like I am responding to someone reading off a script. Throughout the conversation, I've known three steps ahead what you'd write, because it's the same old tired script without any freedom to deviate into topics like the foreign policy of Belarus regarding Ukraine, LNR and DNR. I've seen zero original thought. Even utterly brainwashed Russians have some original reasoning to glue official talking points together to cope with the situation and justify it. You offer nothing. Even modern chatbots aren't this stiff and stuck to the script.