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It's pretty obvious that Waymo has done a million miles completely driverless with no major accidents, while Tesla has shipped a buggy and frequently updated pi

It's pretty obvious that Waymo has done a million miles completely driverless with no major accidents, while Tesla has shipped a buggy and frequently updated piece of software to thousands of "beta testers" who demonstrate that it's unsafe on YouTube constantly.

asynchronous 4y ago
In an almost completely controlled environment in a single city. Not to mention Uber has literally ran over and killed someone while driverless but let’s keep beating up Tesla.
- jeromegv 4y ago
  It's not because Uber is worse that we have to accept Tesla's way of doing things. They have been lying to their customers about having full self driving available for years and now just admitted that some of their videos promoting it were actually entirely faked. Both can be wrong.
  - mgiannopoulos 4y ago
    FSD is not available to the general public. It’s beta, can be used by customers who select to do so.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - Karunamon 4y ago
      That counts as "available to the general public" by any reasonable measure; either as a one-off purchase or a monthly subscription. And really, "FSD" is too specific, even the lane keeping autopilot the car comes with by default has the same problems. I love my model 3 but let's call the spade a spade: advertising the car as having "full self driving" at this point in time is nothing short of fraudulent.
    - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
      I guess my concern with this is the FSD, while not technically available to the general public, is still going to effect the general public given that if it's a buggy beta test it'll be buggy on public roads.
      - mgiannopoulos 4y ago
        A buggy beta does not equal a buggy release. Generally speaking bugs are fixed prior to release.
        SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
        But it's in beta right now for specific cars who use it to drive around on the public roads?
        mgiannopoulos 4y ago
        So are tons of legally driving humans who are incompetent, drunk, etc.
        SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
        Drunk is not legally driving.
- wefarrell 4y ago
  That’s the point. Running trials in a controlled environment is responsible and exactly how something as dangerous as self driving cars should be tried.
- rrdharan 4y ago
  Uber had the decency (or foresight, shame, acceptance of reality) to give up on autonomous driving not too long after that.
- throwboatyface 4y ago
  Yeah Uber was acting irresponsibly and almost killed someone. Waymo is acting responsibly and is making progress without putting people in danger. Do you think Tesla is more like Waymo or Uber?
mgiannopoulos 4y ago
Since when are frequent software updates a bad thing? At what point did any beta software worked perfectly?
- bilekas 4y ago
  This is troubling.. This was the point made above. I don't feel too comfortable with someone playing "POC" on my brain.
- lwhi 4y ago
  Keeping to a consistent update schedule would be an advantage. I think the main issue is that Tesla is seen to be 'fire fighting', rather than working according to a predetermined plan.

asynchronous 4y ago

In an almost completely controlled environment in a single city. Not to mention Uber has literally ran over and killed someone while driverless but let’s keep beating up Tesla.

jeromegv 4y ago
It's not because Uber is worse that we have to accept Tesla's way of doing things. They have been lying to their customers about having full self driving available for years and now just admitted that some of their videos promoting it were actually entirely faked. Both can be wrong.
- mgiannopoulos 4y ago
  FSD is not available to the general public. It’s beta, can be used by customers who select to do so.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - Karunamon 4y ago
    That counts as "available to the general public" by any reasonable measure; either as a one-off purchase or a monthly subscription. And really, "FSD" is too specific, even the lane keeping autopilot the car comes with by default has the same problems. I love my model 3 but let's call the spade a spade: advertising the car as having "full self driving" at this point in time is nothing short of fraudulent.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    I guess my concern with this is the FSD, while not technically available to the general public, is still going to effect the general public given that if it's a buggy beta test it'll be buggy on public roads.
    - mgiannopoulos 4y ago
      A buggy beta does not equal a buggy release. Generally speaking bugs are fixed prior to release.
      - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
        But it's in beta right now for specific cars who use it to drive around on the public roads?
        mgiannopoulos 4y ago
        So are tons of legally driving humans who are incompetent, drunk, etc.
        SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
        Drunk is not legally driving.
wefarrell 4y ago
That’s the point. Running trials in a controlled environment is responsible and exactly how something as dangerous as self driving cars should be tried.
rrdharan 4y ago
Uber had the decency (or foresight, shame, acceptance of reality) to give up on autonomous driving not too long after that.
throwboatyface 4y ago
Yeah Uber was acting irresponsibly and almost killed someone. Waymo is acting responsibly and is making progress without putting people in danger. Do you think Tesla is more like Waymo or Uber?

mgiannopoulos 4y ago

Since when are frequent software updates a bad thing? At what point did any beta software worked perfectly?

bilekas 4y ago
This is troubling.. This was the point made above. I don't feel too comfortable with someone playing "POC" on my brain.
lwhi 4y ago
Keeping to a consistent update schedule would be an advantage. I think the main issue is that Tesla is seen to be 'fire fighting', rather than working according to a predetermined plan.