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Give the over promise and (way, way, waaaaay) under deliver of all his self driving bloviations there’s no way in hell I’d be down to let him implant anything i

Give the over promise and (way, way, waaaaay) under deliver of all his self driving bloviations there’s no way in hell I’d be down to let him implant anything in my head.

pfizerapproach 4y ago
Ok, but how is this relevant to the story? Participation is voluntary. Nobody forces you to anything.
- madsbuch 4y ago
  Reputation?
- shjake 4y ago
  Same applies to drugs? No? Isn’t the point of the FDA to limit the consumption of potentially harmful substances despite the willingness of someone to consume it?
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    Not quite sure what the FDA purpose is anymore. I donno if it’s true but I saw in a documentary that once drugs are approved they can be changed and don’t require reapproval. I don’t quite understand how the FDA works anymore other than a barrier to entry.
- stevehawk 4y ago
  but how many people are willing to participate based on false information or reputation due to the perpetual hype/marketing/lies he has thrown out with regards to something. The general public thinks he has solved self driving, after all it's coming next year (for the tenth consecutive year), meanwhile an industry report recently ranked Tesla dead last in likelihood to deliver when compared to nearly 20 other companies.
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    Probably a lot. A lot of people still believe in musk.
luismmolina 4y ago
Are you quadriplegic/paraplegic? I'm sure that will influence you decision
- SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
  Are you knowledgeable in medical ethics? It’s well known that it’s unethical to be offering experimental treatments, even to desperate patients, that don’t have at least the very low bar of “does this cause immediate death or serious life worsening of animal models, does this appear to have any benefit in animal models”. There was in fact a whole scandal about this recently with artificial tracheas. Living with a tube in your throat to breathe is a horrible way to live, but the people who got artificial ones died horrible and slow deaths because they evidence of their efficacy in mouse models were forged through a cult of personality of the head researcher and the promise of potential life changing gains.
  - HDThoreaun 4y ago
    Imagine claiming to have a monopoly on ethics.

Give the over promise and (way, way, waaaaay) under deliver of all his self driving bloviations there’s no way in hell I’d be down to let him implant anything in my head.

pfizerapproach 4y ago

Ok, but how is this relevant to the story? Participation is voluntary. Nobody forces you to anything.

madsbuch 4y ago
Reputation?
shjake 4y ago
Same applies to drugs? No? Isn’t the point of the FDA to limit the consumption of potentially harmful substances despite the willingness of someone to consume it?
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  Not quite sure what the FDA purpose is anymore. I donno if it’s true but I saw in a documentary that once drugs are approved they can be changed and don’t require reapproval. I don’t quite understand how the FDA works anymore other than a barrier to entry.
stevehawk 4y ago
but how many people are willing to participate based on false information or reputation due to the perpetual hype/marketing/lies he has thrown out with regards to something. The general public thinks he has solved self driving, after all it's coming next year (for the tenth consecutive year), meanwhile an industry report recently ranked Tesla dead last in likelihood to deliver when compared to nearly 20 other companies.
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  Probably a lot. A lot of people still believe in musk.

luismmolina 4y ago

Are you quadriplegic/paraplegic? I'm sure that will influence you decision

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
Are you knowledgeable in medical ethics? It’s well known that it’s unethical to be offering experimental treatments, even to desperate patients, that don’t have at least the very low bar of “does this cause immediate death or serious life worsening of animal models, does this appear to have any benefit in animal models”. There was in fact a whole scandal about this recently with artificial tracheas. Living with a tube in your throat to breathe is a horrible way to live, but the people who got artificial ones died horrible and slow deaths because they evidence of their efficacy in mouse models were forged through a cult of personality of the head researcher and the promise of potential life changing gains.
- HDThoreaun 4y ago
  Imagine claiming to have a monopoly on ethics.