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Intel NUC Kit NUC7CJYHN Barebone (Celeron Dual Core-J4005) barebone is sold for 112 euro. Add RAM and SSD... > PS: PIs are usually a lot cheaper. No they are

Intel NUC Kit NUC7CJYHN Barebone (Celeron Dual Core-J4005) barebone is sold for 112 euro. Add RAM and SSD... > PS: PIs are usually a lot cheaper. No they are not. Maybe a few years ago. But PIs use obsolete processor, with limited manufacturing capacity. I do not believe they will get any cheaper any time soon.

hdhrufjdi 4y ago
Yes, they are: https://geizhals.de/raspberry-pi-4-modell-b-a2301761.html https://geizhals.de/raspberry-pi-4-modell-b-a2301761.html 75€ until the end of 2021. Now 86€ as soon as there are new PIs available, note the 8gb model: https://www.berrybase.de/en/raspberry-pi-4-computer-modell-b-8gb-ram https://www.berrybase.de/en/raspberry-pi-4-computer-modell-b... New supply later this year: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/supply-chain-update-its-good-news/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/supply-chain-update-its-goo...
horsawlarway 4y ago
That's a barebone kit without HDD or RAM... (so stack an extra 100 bucks on there, and if you're paying 100 for a pi, it already includes an SD card for storage). So no, it's WAY more expensive. Not to mention you're going to be looking at quite a bit of fiddling to get any sort of linux distro playing nicely on it, so from a tooling side, costs will be much higher. It's also literally 5 times bigger than a pi in a standard enclosure, so enclosure costs and space costs. Plus, it idles at the same power (~10 watts) that the pi pulls during max load. It maxes out at ~70 watts draw. 10 watts over 5 years = $35. 70 watts over 5 years = $250. Plus - I refuse to touch celeron with a 20ft pole. They're consistently one of the worst performing processors I've ever had the displeasure of using. You call the pi's hardware old, but the celeron in the model you linked is 5+ years old now, and it's the shittiest of the shitty models that intel sells. You can hate on the pi all you want - I tend to agree, they're a bit overpriced for what you get at the best of times, and when they're both expensive and hard to get... alternatives are a great option. But that hideous thing is not the alternative you should be suggesting.
- hdhrufjdi 4y ago
  Thanks for the additional info
- t344344 4y ago
  8 GB DDR4 is 20 euro. Another 20 for basic SSD. Raspberry PI I found does not have a case, no CPU heatsink, no power supply, no SD card... And running system out of writeable SD card is another joke! Not sure how I would "fiddle" with installing Linux distro. There is nothing out of spec, very common intel hardware. With PI3 and Raspbian, my keyboard did not work, because Pi does not support USB 1.1 correctly! This system idles around 5 watts, depending on peripherals. Max consumption for PI4 is 15 watts. Celeron in this system is a good CPU for small servers. Look at Serve The Home reviews. But main reason are peripherals, you get Intel chipset, Intel network card, Intel USB and so on. You do not have to deal with shitty chinese chipset from TVs! It does not even implement spec correctly! Initial revision of PI4 would not even power up, because most basic USBC power delivery (single resistor) was botched!

hdhrufjdi 4y ago

Yes, they are: https://geizhals.de/raspberry-pi-4-modell-b-a2301761.html https://geizhals.de/raspberry-pi-4-modell-b-a2301761.html 75€ until the end of 2021. Now 86€ as soon as there are new PIs available, note the 8gb model: https://www.berrybase.de/en/raspberry-pi-4-computer-modell-b-8gb-ram https://www.berrybase.de/en/raspberry-pi-4-computer-modell-b... New supply later this year: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/supply-chain-update-its-good-news/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/supply-chain-update-its-goo...

horsawlarway 4y ago

That's a barebone kit without HDD or RAM... (so stack an extra 100 bucks on there, and if you're paying 100 for a pi, it already includes an SD card for storage). So no, it's WAY more expensive. Not to mention you're going to be looking at quite a bit of fiddling to get any sort of linux distro playing nicely on it, so from a tooling side, costs will be much higher. It's also literally 5 times bigger than a pi in a standard enclosure, so enclosure costs and space costs. Plus, it idles at the same power (~10 watts) that the pi pulls during max load. It maxes out at ~70 watts draw. 10 watts over 5 years = $35. 70 watts over 5 years = $250. Plus - I refuse to touch celeron with a 20ft pole. They're consistently one of the worst performing processors I've ever had the displeasure of using. You call the pi's hardware old, but the celeron in the model you linked is 5+ years old now, and it's the shittiest of the shitty models that intel sells. You can hate on the pi all you want - I tend to agree, they're a bit overpriced for what you get at the best of times, and when they're both expensive and hard to get... alternatives are a great option. But that hideous thing is not the alternative you should be suggesting.

hdhrufjdi 4y ago
Thanks for the additional info
t344344 4y ago
8 GB DDR4 is 20 euro. Another 20 for basic SSD. Raspberry PI I found does not have a case, no CPU heatsink, no power supply, no SD card... And running system out of writeable SD card is another joke! Not sure how I would "fiddle" with installing Linux distro. There is nothing out of spec, very common intel hardware. With PI3 and Raspbian, my keyboard did not work, because Pi does not support USB 1.1 correctly! This system idles around 5 watts, depending on peripherals. Max consumption for PI4 is 15 watts. Celeron in this system is a good CPU for small servers. Look at Serve The Home reviews. But main reason are peripherals, you get Intel chipset, Intel network card, Intel USB and so on. You do not have to deal with shitty chinese chipset from TVs! It does not even implement spec correctly! Initial revision of PI4 would not even power up, because most basic USBC power delivery (single resistor) was botched!