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I suspect you don’t actually own an apple watch, because you’re really reaching here. First of all, SOS is dispatched after a period of inactivity. Otherwise,

I suspect you don’t actually own an apple watch, because you’re really reaching here. First of all, SOS is dispatched after a period of inactivity. Otherwise, you can use your remaining four fingers to swipe. Or your nose. Or Siri. Or remove the watch with your teeth and use the other hand. But more obviously, broken thumbs still swipe too.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
not contesting the Apple watch, but the claim that swiping should be used to avoid false positives. Swiping should be used for low priority confirmations, like confirming you want to buy a subscription or pay for some in-game addon. In my opinion it shouldn't be used to answer phone calls either.
- b112 4y ago
  Please never design any interface I have to use. A button would mean I'd answer endless calls by accident, in my pocket. No, sensors don't prevent this. Yes, my leg, through my pocket fabric, can push buttons. Did you test all of this, before deciding a button is better?
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    > A button would mean I'd answer endless calls by accident That's honestly not a design issue. The design of the following device was never criticized because answering a phone call was "too easy" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3310 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3310 Anyway, I've never said to use a button, I said "swiping is a terrible gesture" My parents have enormous issues swiping to answer phone calls. So they answer by accident to a lot more calls than they did when the phone had buttons, because they answer while trying to hung up. It's not clear at all that they could not do anything and the call will automatically end after a while. It's not clear at all that they could silence that phone call, without silencing all phone calls. It's even worse than that: most of the times they call me back because they could not swipe "the right way" and were unable to answer. But they are not stupid, they've gone through life pretty well, they worked with precision instruments in health care, where people lives were at stake, it's the interface design that is stupid! There was a time when things were designed to be used by people leveraging human natural abilities, not forced onto people because they look cool in ADS. > Yes, my leg, through my pocket fabric, can push buttons on Don't keep your phone in you front pocket then! Anyway, I don't know how big you are, but the pockets of my jeans can't handle more than half a smartphone. And previous generations of phone never activated on their own while in my pockets (yes, they could fit, because they were sized to be handhelds not small tablets) But, more importantly, you're not considering more ergonomic gestures than swiping, like a long press. You are assuming that your habits are the best possible implementation. EDIT: there's also this: swiping can reveal physical characteristics of the user which could be considered not exactly a good thing, in this era of data harvesting and targetization. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1071581916000021 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S107158191...
    - notduncansmith 4y ago
      Side note, while I don’t know the trends in Ibiza, in the USA pants marketed to men usually have pockets that can hold a smartphone (and often wallet too, though mine gets a separate pocket). It’s not really a matter of personal size so the unsubtle body-shaming “I don’t know how big you are, but” is an irrelevant ad-hominem here, which weakens your comment. There’s no need to bring yourself so low in an internet conversation about buttons and sliders.
      - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        Thanks for the clarification but I meant big as in a big person (think about Shaquille O'Neal), not a fat person. I'm not a native English speaker, sorry, big for me means big as per dictionary definition, not large or fat or "you should be ashamed of your body". Anyway, a search for "jeans pockets smartphone" produces the following results, which is exactly what I meant, pants here have the same pocket size you can see in the following pictures. https://previews.123rf.com/images/bacho12345/bacho123451508/bacho12345150800014/43131165-big-white-smart-mobile-phone-in-jeans-pocket.jpg https://previews.123rf.com/images/bacho12345/bacho123451508/... https://previews.123rf.com/images/wisawa222/wisawa2221707/wisawa222170700009/82195382-cell-phone-in-jeans-pocket-on-white-background-.jpg https://previews.123rf.com/images/wisawa222/wisawa2221707/wi... https://previews.123rf.com/images/aquapictures/aquapictures1605/aquapictures160500103/65478904-closeup-on-cell-phone-in-back-pocket-of-female-jeans.jpg https://previews.123rf.com/images/aquapictures/aquapictures1... https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,w_1440,ar_16:9,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/shape/cover/sport/539787-istock-478357836-a499b6eec31e0d7306750adbbb9f08c7.jpg https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,w_144...
        b112 4y ago
        No offense at the 'big' thing here, I'm 190cm. But amusingly, I have grey hair, which means I am, by the laws of the universe, no longer allowed to wear jeans. I think looser pants are why ginormous phones fit, although I am sure upthread's comment about many pants being tailored differently now, is probably true too. My own usage case is, as with anyone, unique. The real problem is, singular thought in design. Look at chrome, and how google removed pinch zoom and reflow, to "force" websites to update for mobile. Thanks google, clearly you could care less about older eyes. About older websites.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

not contesting the Apple watch, but the claim that swiping should be used to avoid false positives. Swiping should be used for low priority confirmations, like confirming you want to buy a subscription or pay for some in-game addon. In my opinion it shouldn't be used to answer phone calls either.

b112 4y ago
Please never design any interface I have to use. A button would mean I'd answer endless calls by accident, in my pocket. No, sensors don't prevent this. Yes, my leg, through my pocket fabric, can push buttons. Did you test all of this, before deciding a button is better?
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > A button would mean I'd answer endless calls by accident That's honestly not a design issue. The design of the following device was never criticized because answering a phone call was "too easy" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3310 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3310 Anyway, I've never said to use a button, I said "swiping is a terrible gesture" My parents have enormous issues swiping to answer phone calls. So they answer by accident to a lot more calls than they did when the phone had buttons, because they answer while trying to hung up. It's not clear at all that they could not do anything and the call will automatically end after a while. It's not clear at all that they could silence that phone call, without silencing all phone calls. It's even worse than that: most of the times they call me back because they could not swipe "the right way" and were unable to answer. But they are not stupid, they've gone through life pretty well, they worked with precision instruments in health care, where people lives were at stake, it's the interface design that is stupid! There was a time when things were designed to be used by people leveraging human natural abilities, not forced onto people because they look cool in ADS. > Yes, my leg, through my pocket fabric, can push buttons on Don't keep your phone in you front pocket then! Anyway, I don't know how big you are, but the pockets of my jeans can't handle more than half a smartphone. And previous generations of phone never activated on their own while in my pockets (yes, they could fit, because they were sized to be handhelds not small tablets) But, more importantly, you're not considering more ergonomic gestures than swiping, like a long press. You are assuming that your habits are the best possible implementation. EDIT: there's also this: swiping can reveal physical characteristics of the user which could be considered not exactly a good thing, in this era of data harvesting and targetization. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1071581916000021 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S107158191...
  - notduncansmith 4y ago
    Side note, while I don’t know the trends in Ibiza, in the USA pants marketed to men usually have pockets that can hold a smartphone (and often wallet too, though mine gets a separate pocket). It’s not really a matter of personal size so the unsubtle body-shaming “I don’t know how big you are, but” is an irrelevant ad-hominem here, which weakens your comment. There’s no need to bring yourself so low in an internet conversation about buttons and sliders.
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      Thanks for the clarification but I meant big as in a big person (think about Shaquille O'Neal), not a fat person. I'm not a native English speaker, sorry, big for me means big as per dictionary definition, not large or fat or "you should be ashamed of your body". Anyway, a search for "jeans pockets smartphone" produces the following results, which is exactly what I meant, pants here have the same pocket size you can see in the following pictures. https://previews.123rf.com/images/bacho12345/bacho123451508/bacho12345150800014/43131165-big-white-smart-mobile-phone-in-jeans-pocket.jpg https://previews.123rf.com/images/bacho12345/bacho123451508/... https://previews.123rf.com/images/wisawa222/wisawa2221707/wisawa222170700009/82195382-cell-phone-in-jeans-pocket-on-white-background-.jpg https://previews.123rf.com/images/wisawa222/wisawa2221707/wi... https://previews.123rf.com/images/aquapictures/aquapictures1605/aquapictures160500103/65478904-closeup-on-cell-phone-in-back-pocket-of-female-jeans.jpg https://previews.123rf.com/images/aquapictures/aquapictures1... https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,w_1440,ar_16:9,f_auto,q_auto,g_auto/shape/cover/sport/539787-istock-478357836-a499b6eec31e0d7306750adbbb9f08c7.jpg https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_fill,w_144...
      - b112 4y ago
        No offense at the 'big' thing here, I'm 190cm. But amusingly, I have grey hair, which means I am, by the laws of the universe, no longer allowed to wear jeans. I think looser pants are why ginormous phones fit, although I am sure upthread's comment about many pants being tailored differently now, is probably true too. My own usage case is, as with anyone, unique. The real problem is, singular thought in design. Look at chrome, and how google removed pinch zoom and reflow, to "force" websites to update for mobile. Thanks google, clearly you could care less about older eyes. About older websites.