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I'm then the proof that intp is wrong. Because I think fast and that intp also matches me. But I'm honestly thinking this type of categorisation is stupid and

I'm then the proof that intp is wrong. Because I think fast and that intp also matches me. But I'm honestly thinking this type of categorisation is stupid and doesn't add calue

guiriduro 4y ago
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- texaslonghorn5 4y ago
  or they expected autocorrect to catch it but it didn't trigger because no period. this is an entirely unnecessary comment lol
hollander 4y ago
Maybe you're an atypical INTP?
MadSudaca 4y ago
i don’t necessarily agree that the categorization process doesn’t add value, but I certainly think that the categories themselves do.
nicoburns 4y ago
> Because I think fast and that intp also matches me. I would suggest that if you primarily think in a fast, intuitive manner, then INTP doesn't match you because that antithetical to what INTP means. Perhaps you are reading too much into the "type descriptions" which tend to be stereotypically and not particular accurate (or are being too trusting of questionaire test results). Many of the types are similar to each other, so it's common to see oneself to an extent in more than one description. To be an INTP means that your dominant thinking process is "Introverted Thinking" which is slow, reasoned, logical thinking that places a high emphasis on internal consistency. And that this is backed up with a secondary thinking process of "Extraverted Intuition" which is fast, intuitive thinking, which an emphasis on ideas and creative, divergent thought patterns. Or at least, that this was true of you as a young person.
- donkeyd 4y ago
  > slow, reasoned, logical thinking that places a high emphasis on internal consistency Seeing it written out like that really makes me understand why (unaware) hypocrisy annoys me so much.
  - Jensson 4y ago
    But what about fast, reasoned, logical thinking that places a high emphasis on internal consistency? There is no need for slow there. Think eventual consistency rather than strict consistency in the world view and the thinking can be blazing fast and keep the other properties. The only advantage to slow is that it avoids the short periods of inconsistency, but that also hurts it since it is harder to make big changes in the world model.
    - nicoburns 4y ago
      IMO if you're thinking in terms of eventual consistency then that's a very different outlook to the one described above. There is also: - Extraverted Thinking which is also relatively careful, reasoned and logical but puts more emphasis on external validity than internal consistency. - Introverted intuition which is faster, more intuitive mode of thinking which some people might see as logical but isn't really. It's logical in the way ChatGPT is logical: it works until it doesn't. Note also that nobody is using just one of these functions. So it's normal to lead with an intuitive thought and then back that up with logic or vice versa. But I stand by the idea that you either be fast XOR fully reasoned. You can still be "kinda fast" and reasoned (but you'll never be as fast as intuitive judgements that are close to instant), and you can be pretty accurate with fast intuitive thought (but you'll never be as assured as a more thoroughly reasoned position - sometimes your intuition will lead you astray).
- Jensson 4y ago
  > I would suggest that if you primarily think in a fast, intuitive manner, then INTP doesn't match you because that antithetical to what INTP means Why? N stands for intuitive, and the rest have nothing to do with thinking fast or slow. P just means you don't judge quickly, P could still come up with tons of ideas and explanations quickly, they just don't judge one of those correct.
corobo 4y ago
Yeah I always get INTP and I get (secretly, internally) impatient with people who can't keep up. Hell I get impatient with myself if I'm not thinking fast enough. Maybe it's INTP with an ADHD modifier? Haha Can't stand it when people run off into the weeds on examples too. Just.. it's an example. Please just get the concept of examples. They are to get us on the same context. If you can correct my example you can understand what I'm saying. We're good. Please continue with the original thought as if I'd given a good example. Go go go go go! No, dammit, don't complain I'm being too impatient or hard on myself either, you're wasting time! Go go go! Of course outwardly this goes through a don't be a jerk filter. Impatience is my problem. E: Should clarify this is only for skillset relevant conversations. You can take as long as you like on spiritual or philosophical thoughts. I just did another test, idk can they change? INTP-T again E2: I should correct myself actually. If I'm popping back to make these edits half an hour and an hour after I posted the original comment then surely I'm thinking fast (initial comment) and also thinking slow (oh wait no, go back to that one thought, add this too). Hey me, maybe that bit about examples is it's own blog post pal? It went a bit into the weeds itself there. Was it relevant or just on your mind? If you'd have thought slower you might not have bothered typing that bit. I'll have to reflect on this one :)
- Felminor 4y ago
  ADHS yes here too :)
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- abakker 4y ago
  The thing about these scales is that they are actually numeric. (And not real good, but that’s another story.) I’m an INTP, but really close to the middle on the I and the N. It changes things relative to some coworkers who are much more I than me. Some people are introverts like “I just want to be alone to work and recharge”. I’m an introvert like, “ I’ll do this on my own, but if you want to help, I’m happy to have you along.” Social situations don’t really stress me out, but I don’t do well in group conversations.
lamontcg 4y ago
In this thread there are people saying the person in the article is INTP and people who are saying they're the opposite and they're INTP.
brianpan 4y ago
Myers-Briggs has been discounted by personality psychologists for quite some time now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indi...
- niknoble 4y ago
  Psychologists have been discounted for quite some time now. But also, what would it even mean to say that Myers-Briggs is wrong? If you pick 4 personality traits and create 16 groups from them, then knowing someone's group will always give you insight into their personality.
  - brianpan 4y ago
    It's not wrong, it's not clinically useful in the same way that horoscopes are not clinically useful.

I'm then the proof that intp is wrong. Because I think fast and that intp also matches me. But I'm honestly thinking this type of categorisation is stupid and doesn't add calue

guiriduro 4y ago

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texaslonghorn5 4y ago
or they expected autocorrect to catch it but it didn't trigger because no period. this is an entirely unnecessary comment lol

hollander 4y ago

Maybe you're an atypical INTP?

MadSudaca 4y ago

i don’t necessarily agree that the categorization process doesn’t add value, but I certainly think that the categories themselves do.

nicoburns 4y ago

> Because I think fast and that intp also matches me. I would suggest that if you primarily think in a fast, intuitive manner, then INTP doesn't match you because that antithetical to what INTP means. Perhaps you are reading too much into the "type descriptions" which tend to be stereotypically and not particular accurate (or are being too trusting of questionaire test results). Many of the types are similar to each other, so it's common to see oneself to an extent in more than one description. To be an INTP means that your dominant thinking process is "Introverted Thinking" which is slow, reasoned, logical thinking that places a high emphasis on internal consistency. And that this is backed up with a secondary thinking process of "Extraverted Intuition" which is fast, intuitive thinking, which an emphasis on ideas and creative, divergent thought patterns. Or at least, that this was true of you as a young person.

donkeyd 4y ago
> slow, reasoned, logical thinking that places a high emphasis on internal consistency Seeing it written out like that really makes me understand why (unaware) hypocrisy annoys me so much.
- Jensson 4y ago
  But what about fast, reasoned, logical thinking that places a high emphasis on internal consistency? There is no need for slow there. Think eventual consistency rather than strict consistency in the world view and the thinking can be blazing fast and keep the other properties. The only advantage to slow is that it avoids the short periods of inconsistency, but that also hurts it since it is harder to make big changes in the world model.
  - nicoburns 4y ago
    IMO if you're thinking in terms of eventual consistency then that's a very different outlook to the one described above. There is also: - Extraverted Thinking which is also relatively careful, reasoned and logical but puts more emphasis on external validity than internal consistency. - Introverted intuition which is faster, more intuitive mode of thinking which some people might see as logical but isn't really. It's logical in the way ChatGPT is logical: it works until it doesn't. Note also that nobody is using just one of these functions. So it's normal to lead with an intuitive thought and then back that up with logic or vice versa. But I stand by the idea that you either be fast XOR fully reasoned. You can still be "kinda fast" and reasoned (but you'll never be as fast as intuitive judgements that are close to instant), and you can be pretty accurate with fast intuitive thought (but you'll never be as assured as a more thoroughly reasoned position - sometimes your intuition will lead you astray).
Jensson 4y ago
> I would suggest that if you primarily think in a fast, intuitive manner, then INTP doesn't match you because that antithetical to what INTP means Why? N stands for intuitive, and the rest have nothing to do with thinking fast or slow. P just means you don't judge quickly, P could still come up with tons of ideas and explanations quickly, they just don't judge one of those correct.

corobo 4y ago

Yeah I always get INTP and I get (secretly, internally) impatient with people who can't keep up. Hell I get impatient with myself if I'm not thinking fast enough. Maybe it's INTP with an ADHD modifier? Haha Can't stand it when people run off into the weeds on examples too. Just.. it's an example. Please just get the concept of examples. They are to get us on the same context. If you can correct my example you can understand what I'm saying. We're good. Please continue with the original thought as if I'd given a good example. Go go go go go! No, dammit, don't complain I'm being too impatient or hard on myself either, you're wasting time! Go go go! Of course outwardly this goes through a don't be a jerk filter. Impatience is my problem. E: Should clarify this is only for skillset relevant conversations. You can take as long as you like on spiritual or philosophical thoughts. I just did another test, idk can they change? INTP-T again E2: I should correct myself actually. If I'm popping back to make these edits half an hour and an hour after I posted the original comment then surely I'm thinking fast (initial comment) and also thinking slow (oh wait no, go back to that one thought, add this too). Hey me, maybe that bit about examples is it's own blog post pal? It went a bit into the weeds itself there. Was it relevant or just on your mind? If you'd have thought slower you might not have bothered typing that bit. I'll have to reflect on this one :)

Felminor 4y ago
ADHS yes here too :)
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abakker 4y ago
The thing about these scales is that they are actually numeric. (And not real good, but that’s another story.) I’m an INTP, but really close to the middle on the I and the N. It changes things relative to some coworkers who are much more I than me. Some people are introverts like “I just want to be alone to work and recharge”. I’m an introvert like, “ I’ll do this on my own, but if you want to help, I’m happy to have you along.” Social situations don’t really stress me out, but I don’t do well in group conversations.

lamontcg 4y ago

In this thread there are people saying the person in the article is INTP and people who are saying they're the opposite and they're INTP.

brianpan 4y ago

Myers-Briggs has been discounted by personality psychologists for quite some time now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indicator#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2%80%93Briggs_Type_Indi...

niknoble 4y ago
Psychologists have been discounted for quite some time now. But also, what would it even mean to say that Myers-Briggs is wrong? If you pick 4 personality traits and create 16 groups from them, then knowing someone's group will always give you insight into their personality.
- brianpan 4y ago
  It's not wrong, it's not clinically useful in the same way that horoscopes are not clinically useful.