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EU can ban generative AI if they want, and they might as well give up their place in this new wave of generative AI, which in reality, counting on EU's past rec

EU can ban generative AI if they want, and they might as well give up their place in this new wave of generative AI, which in reality, counting on EU's past records, they could and might go there, but it is stupid and suicidal regardless. But they CAN'T control it. You can't have cake and eat it. Eventually the technology will become so pervasive, that your ever query might go to a service that calls a service that calls another service which uses GPT as part of the signal analysis. I doubt EU can audit every API calls, and every API's supply chain issue.

LelouBil 4y ago
They aren't *banning* generative AI. They are making sure you can't say "the AI chose so" when a client asks you why they were rejected for a loan or something similar.
- throwaway48495 4y ago
  Funny. I was just filling my tax report and the reason for not accepting some of the deductions I still think I should be getting is "because the program said so". I live in EU. Perhaps the EU should first clean it's own porch before talking about what the private sector should do.
  - seszett 4y ago
    As far as I know most countries have clear, public algorithms for tax reports, may I ask which country you are talking about? In any case your problem is one of an incompetent person not being able to explain the decision, not a black box algorithm (since the program you are talking about has been programmed, not taught like an AI). You have recourses (though probably difficult to exercise) unlike with a decision officially based on an AI in which case it is technically impossible to motivate the decision.
Mashimo 4y ago
You think in foreseeable future we are unable to develop a credit system that does not call an AI API? I dont' know, those systems seems rather closed. I have my doubts. We have rules against discrimination of gender. Just as an example. Those work without looking into every API call.
seszett 4y ago
> I doubt EU can audit every API calls, and every API's supply chain issue. Laws have never made things impossible, they make things illegal. I doubt any country can prevent people from killing random people in the streets, yet this is generally illegal. It is usually enforced after the fact, and sometimes the criminal doesn't get caught. That doesn't make the law useless.

LelouBil 4y ago

They aren't *banning* generative AI. They are making sure you can't say "the AI chose so" when a client asks you why they were rejected for a loan or something similar.

throwaway48495 4y ago
Funny. I was just filling my tax report and the reason for not accepting some of the deductions I still think I should be getting is "because the program said so". I live in EU. Perhaps the EU should first clean it's own porch before talking about what the private sector should do.
- seszett 4y ago
  As far as I know most countries have clear, public algorithms for tax reports, may I ask which country you are talking about? In any case your problem is one of an incompetent person not being able to explain the decision, not a black box algorithm (since the program you are talking about has been programmed, not taught like an AI). You have recourses (though probably difficult to exercise) unlike with a decision officially based on an AI in which case it is technically impossible to motivate the decision.

Mashimo 4y ago

You think in foreseeable future we are unable to develop a credit system that does not call an AI API? I dont' know, those systems seems rather closed. I have my doubts. We have rules against discrimination of gender. Just as an example. Those work without looking into every API call.

seszett 4y ago

> I doubt EU can audit every API calls, and every API's supply chain issue. Laws have never made things impossible, they make things illegal. I doubt any country can prevent people from killing random people in the streets, yet this is generally illegal. It is usually enforced after the fact, and sometimes the criminal doesn't get caught. That doesn't make the law useless.