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Your conclusion is not based with facts. Most landlords in the city do not have rent-controlled properties. That is a fact you can look up in the City website

by davidu 15y ago

Your conclusion is not based with facts. Most landlords in the city do not have rent-controlled properties. That is a fact you can look up in the City websites. Therefore, the argument that rent is going up to offset rent-controlled properties is fallacious. :-)

rdl 15y ago
This depends on where in the city you are -- most of the housing stock in SF is pre-1979 construction, and thus IS eligible for rent control. In SoMA, there's a lot of new construction, largely either in the form of condos or big corporate rented buildings (archstone, etc.). Most of the landlords for the older buildings own a small number of units (1-4); the big new buildings might have lots of units but not a lot of individual landlords. Most startup people seem to want to live in the Mission or other older areas, even if they work in SoMA. (something I don't understand; I like the new buildings in SoMA)
- malyk 15y ago
  I'd chalk wanting to live in the mission or other areas to two things. Most people hate living in large apartment buildings when you can have a sweet victorian flat and the "nightlife" in soma is a totally different vibe than in the mission. Especially the variety of options.
earl 15y ago
While it is possible that most landlords don't have rent-controlled properties, I think the majority of renter-occupied housing is subject to rent control. FYI almost anything built prior to 1979 is rent controlled. Also, what sf calls rent controlled is what nyc calls rent stabilized: when tenants leave the landlord can reset the unit to market rents. The law only caps increases while the same tenant lives in the same apartment. data: proportion of renter occupied housing in sf subject to rent control: http://www.thehdmt.org/indicators/view/192 http://www.thehdmt.org/indicators/view/192 2nd map direct link: http://www.thehdmt.org/img/indicators/pdf/RentControlHousingStock.pdf http://www.thehdmt.org/img/indicators/pdf/RentControlHousing...
cpeterso 15y ago
> Most landlords in the city do not have rent-controlled properties. But what about tenants? The San Francisco Tenants Union says, "most [San Francisco] tenants are covered by rent control." [1] I couldn't find recent numbers, but the San Francisco Rent Board's 2002 Tenant Survey Summary Report [2] says two-thirds of survey respondents’ units were rent-controlled and 10% were market rate: San Francisco’s rental housing stock is still dominated by rent controlled units. Over two thirds of survey respondents’ units were classified as rent controlled; 13 percent were subsidized or assisted, 10 percent were market rate and the remainder were either occupied by close relatives of the property owner or their market status was undetermined. [1] http://www.sftu.org/rentcontrol.html http://www.sftu.org/rentcontrol.html [2] http://www.sfrb.org/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=1885 http://www.sfrb.org/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=188...
- SilasX 15y ago
  All the rent control in the world doesn't mean a thing if a newcomer to SF can't actually rent such a low-priced unit. Here you go: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/ http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/ Show me where the rent-controlled units I can get are. They don't exist, because whatever ones are out there are either crappy enough to more-than-make up for their cheapness, or snapped up by well-connected people. (Btw, love the URL -- at a glance it reads as stfu, lol.)

by davidu 15y ago

rdl 15y ago

This depends on where in the city you are -- most of the housing stock in SF is pre-1979 construction, and thus IS eligible for rent control. In SoMA, there's a lot of new construction, largely either in the form of condos or big corporate rented buildings (archstone, etc.). Most of the landlords for the older buildings own a small number of units (1-4); the big new buildings might have lots of units but not a lot of individual landlords. Most startup people seem to want to live in the Mission or other older areas, even if they work in SoMA. (something I don't understand; I like the new buildings in SoMA)

malyk 15y ago
I'd chalk wanting to live in the mission or other areas to two things. Most people hate living in large apartment buildings when you can have a sweet victorian flat and the "nightlife" in soma is a totally different vibe than in the mission. Especially the variety of options.

earl 15y ago

While it is possible that most landlords don't have rent-controlled properties, I think the majority of renter-occupied housing is subject to rent control. FYI almost anything built prior to 1979 is rent controlled. Also, what sf calls rent controlled is what nyc calls rent stabilized: when tenants leave the landlord can reset the unit to market rents. The law only caps increases while the same tenant lives in the same apartment. data: proportion of renter occupied housing in sf subject to rent control: http://www.thehdmt.org/indicators/view/192 http://www.thehdmt.org/indicators/view/192 2nd map direct link: http://www.thehdmt.org/img/indicators/pdf/RentControlHousingStock.pdf http://www.thehdmt.org/img/indicators/pdf/RentControlHousing...

cpeterso 15y ago

> Most landlords in the city do not have rent-controlled properties. But what about tenants? The San Francisco Tenants Union says, "most [San Francisco] tenants are covered by rent control." [1] I couldn't find recent numbers, but the San Francisco Rent Board's 2002 Tenant Survey Summary Report [2] says two-thirds of survey respondents’ units were rent-controlled and 10% were market rate: San Francisco’s rental housing stock is still dominated by rent controlled units. Over two thirds of survey respondents’ units were classified as rent controlled; 13 percent were subsidized or assisted, 10 percent were market rate and the remainder were either occupied by close relatives of the property owner or their market status was undetermined. [1] http://www.sftu.org/rentcontrol.html http://www.sftu.org/rentcontrol.html [2] http://www.sfrb.org/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=1885 http://www.sfrb.org/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=188...

SilasX 15y ago
All the rent control in the world doesn't mean a thing if a newcomer to SF can't actually rent such a low-priced unit. Here you go: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/ http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/ Show me where the rent-controlled units I can get are. They don't exist, because whatever ones are out there are either crappy enough to more-than-make up for their cheapness, or snapped up by well-connected people. (Btw, love the URL -- at a glance it reads as stfu, lol.)