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Exactly, the Mac/iOS UX is coherent on a level that nothing else even comes close to. It’s a great example of doing many small things correctly, and the experie

Exactly, the Mac/iOS UX is coherent on a level that nothing else even comes close to. It’s a great example of doing many small things correctly, and the experience overall coming together as a result. Going back to using Windows or Android afterwards is painful. (Windows especially now that they insult their users with advertisements within their operating system by default, something Apple would never do in a million years).

super256 4y ago
The settings app on iOS is full with prompts to subscribe to iCloud and appletv (even showing you a red alert, which makes it looks like there is something wrong with your phone). They only go away if you subscribe. I still get the prompt for 1 year free appletv, although I already used that. When I click on it gets stuck on an infinite loading screen. Oh, and apple care prompts on new phones until your device is not eligible for that anymore.
- nicce 4y ago
  They are first-party ads linked directly to the services you are already using at some level. Microsoft distributes third-party ads.
  - pityJuke 4y ago
    a) Apple TV is not necessarily a service I use. Neither is Apple News. b) Why does the ads being first-party suddenly make it more acceptable? Ads are ads, and I don't want them on my device, even if they are ads for my computer manufacturer's services.
numpad0 4y ago
Windows/Microsoft in $lang != en_US is also degrading constantly for some years to add salt to the wound. These days I see more and more of what are essentially adversarial examples that "compile" into English through machine translations.
smoldesu 4y ago
> advertisements within their operating system by default, something Apple would never do in a million years That's outright not true. MacOS (by default) gives you pop-ups asking you to try the new Safari, and when you put on your headphones it launches Apple Music with a pop-up asking you to try their subscription. The settings app begs you to sign in and pay for iCloud storage. The default dock is loaded with useless SaaS that would be better-off uninstalled. I still have the friggin U2 promo! That's just MacOS. The water started to rise on iOS years ago, and it all contributed to me leaving Apple's ecosystem for good. This "premium" experience is meaningless if you just use it as premium ad space for your premium products. I'm going to pass on being a premium customer.

super256 4y ago

The settings app on iOS is full with prompts to subscribe to iCloud and appletv (even showing you a red alert, which makes it looks like there is something wrong with your phone). They only go away if you subscribe. I still get the prompt for 1 year free appletv, although I already used that. When I click on it gets stuck on an infinite loading screen. Oh, and apple care prompts on new phones until your device is not eligible for that anymore.

nicce 4y ago
They are first-party ads linked directly to the services you are already using at some level. Microsoft distributes third-party ads.
- pityJuke 4y ago
  a) Apple TV is not necessarily a service I use. Neither is Apple News. b) Why does the ads being first-party suddenly make it more acceptable? Ads are ads, and I don't want them on my device, even if they are ads for my computer manufacturer's services.

numpad0 4y ago

Windows/Microsoft in $lang != en_US is also degrading constantly for some years to add salt to the wound. These days I see more and more of what are essentially adversarial examples that "compile" into English through machine translations.

smoldesu 4y ago

> advertisements within their operating system by default, something Apple would never do in a million years That's outright not true. MacOS (by default) gives you pop-ups asking you to try the new Safari, and when you put on your headphones it launches Apple Music with a pop-up asking you to try their subscription. The settings app begs you to sign in and pay for iCloud storage. The default dock is loaded with useless SaaS that would be better-off uninstalled. I still have the friggin U2 promo! That's just MacOS. The water started to rise on iOS years ago, and it all contributed to me leaving Apple's ecosystem for good. This "premium" experience is meaningless if you just use it as premium ad space for your premium products. I'm going to pass on being a premium customer.