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> Night workers? Do you mean nightshift workers or mizu shobai workers? If you are talking about nightshift workers, then that's just a matter of semantics (9-
by diceduckmonk 4y ago
> Night workers?
Do you mean nightshift workers or mizu shobai workers? If you are talking about nightshift workers, then that's just a matter of semantics (9-5PM == full time employment, even if that means two part time jobs ).
As for mizu shobai workers, I think would it be disingenous to suggest this is somehow more honorable and respected by society and older generations/parents than saying being a certified professional. Sure, the male hosts in Shinjuku are making multiples more than a FANG employee in the states, but part of the pay is the judgement by societal at large. Yes, in some social classes being a suit-wearing office worker with a stable income is respected, and in Kabukicho circles drinking with lonely and emotionally vulnerable clients until you cough up blood is respected.
Japan's most recent revision to the visas allowed tech workers who make over 20 million yen (~$150k usd) a year to skip the regular lines at the airport, and use the line reserved for government diplomats and ambassadors. The other requirement is that you have a masters degree. Point being, there is a strong emphasis on pedigree in Japan.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/02/17/national/new-visa-categories-graduates-high-earners/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/02/17/national/new-vi...
> retirees
Retired. But if you're talking about elderly people, Japan also has a larger percentage of the elderly working. https://www.jil.go.jp/english/jli/documents/2022/039-04.pdf https://www.jil.go.jp/english/jli/documents/2022/039-04.pdf
> freeters
A subset of this will wear it as a badge of honor, but another subset can't get hired. One reason for not being able to get hired is that Japanese companies want to hirer young, straight out of school, and invest in the long term. Freeters are excluded from this cohort, and also because employers feel this is a red flag.
Even from Wikipedia, the negative perception from Mass Media and society is clearly laid out, so bringing up freeters and attitudes towards them only furthers my claims. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeter. The ones that are subsidized by their parents are referred to as "Parasite Singles" by the Japanese.
> This has been changing, it's not as true of newer companies and startups.
Not as true, but still true.
White collar workers still have to clock in and clock out.
I will believe this when people Wordpress dominance starts trending down and people stop holding meetups in every city. There are even consultancies for Squarespace. Meanwhile, less developed countries in the region such as Indonesia has an order of magnitude healthier startup ecosystem, including more unicorns. Banks and traditional industries have begun their DX (digital transformation) but it's long way to go when the most foreigner friendly bank's website goes down for a day of maintanence every month, and require strange login rules such as usernames having to have no more than 3 consecutives alphabetic or numbers. Meanwhile, passwords can't have special characters.
- astrange 4y ago> Do you mean nightshift workers or mizu shobai workers? If you are talking about nightshift workers, then that's just a matter of semantics (9-5PM == full time employment, even if that means two part time jobs ). Yes, I meant literally night workers. They might sleep through the day but don't always, so they can look unemployed. I don't know any fuzoku workers to ask them about it. I do know several bar owners and freelancers, so that's what I was mostly thinking about. > Even from Wikipedia, the negative perception from Mass Media and society is clearly laid out, so bringing up freeters and attitudes towards them only furthers my claims. Well my question was more like, what do _they_ think about each other? I agree the media judges them.