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Note that #2 doesn't necessarily fix the complaints that this situation generates. By physical necessity, infill transit-oriented density requires multi-family

Note that #2 doesn't necessarily fix the complaints that this situation generates. By physical necessity, infill transit-oriented density requires multi-family housing. Multi-family housing requires some organization to manage the building as a whole, which means either apartments or condos. So people will still be renters (or at the mercy of an HOA), they just won't have to put up with the rent being too damn high year after year. Also I think your scenarios accurately describe the options for the ~5-10 year future, but if you're talking the 50+ year future, I think that will involve depopulation. Either fast (famines, plagues, and wars kill everyone off), medium (global warming steadily makes more areas uninhabitable and increases the rate of natural disasters) or slow (people stop having kids because it's too damn expensive and housing is too damn crowded). The future there is like Detroit but worldwide: lots of urban prairie, decrepit old homes that people can't afford to maintain, people clustering together in wealthier enclaves, rampant crime in the hinterlands where people on the margin live. On the plus side, houses will be super cheap: just pick one and move in.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> Multi-family housing requires some organization to manage the building as a whole, which means either apartments or condos. So people will still be renters In eastern europe you own your apartment. The owners form a housing Association that own ms the building as a whole and the land.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  That sounds like a condominium (an ownership structure that GP suggested).
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    Is that like a US thing? I am not familiar
    - nostrademons 4y ago
      It sounds like it, though I never thought that a condo might not be a worldwide thing. It's an ownership structure where you own the insides of your unit and can do what you want with it, but everything outside the walls (shared building, common areas, lawn, parking lots/garages, etc.) is owned by a homeowner's association (HOA). You pay the HOA monthly dues - sometimes small ones, sometimes large ones, depending on what they do for you - which are set by the HOA themselves, and the HOA can have rules on what you're allowed to do on the outside of your unit. Repairs to common building infrastructure is the HOA's responsibility, repairs to your unit is your responsibility. The HOA is controlled by a board of directors that are elected from the set of homeowners. You own the equity in your own unit and can resell it for a profit.
    - sokoloff 4y ago
      Looks like it is called that in US and Canada and goes by various names in other countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condominium#By_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condominium#By_country

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

> Multi-family housing requires some organization to manage the building as a whole, which means either apartments or condos. So people will still be renters In eastern europe you own your apartment. The owners form a housing Association that own ms the building as a whole and the land.

sokoloff 4y ago
That sounds like a condominium (an ownership structure that GP suggested).
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  Is that like a US thing? I am not familiar
  - nostrademons 4y ago
    It sounds like it, though I never thought that a condo might not be a worldwide thing. It's an ownership structure where you own the insides of your unit and can do what you want with it, but everything outside the walls (shared building, common areas, lawn, parking lots/garages, etc.) is owned by a homeowner's association (HOA). You pay the HOA monthly dues - sometimes small ones, sometimes large ones, depending on what they do for you - which are set by the HOA themselves, and the HOA can have rules on what you're allowed to do on the outside of your unit. Repairs to common building infrastructure is the HOA's responsibility, repairs to your unit is your responsibility. The HOA is controlled by a board of directors that are elected from the set of homeowners. You own the equity in your own unit and can resell it for a profit.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    Looks like it is called that in US and Canada and goes by various names in other countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condominium#By_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condominium#By_country