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I know Marc is skeptical of AI safety alarmism, I doubt he would think we should nuke China over AI safety. He’s also dry and and sarcastic. I bet if I investig

by fwlr 4y ago

I know Marc is skeptical of AI safety alarmism, I doubt he would think we should nuke China over AI safety. He’s also dry and and sarcastic. I bet if I investigate this it’ll turn out he’s doing a reductio ad absurdum of his opponents position and you’ve just misunderstood or didn’t have context.

fwlr 4y ago
Yep, seems like that’s exactly it. Bob Hayes, quoting Gary Marcus: "It’s time for government to consider frameworks that allow for AI research under ... ethical standards and safety, while considering a pause on the widespread public dissemination of... AI technologies." https://twitter.com/bobehayes/status/1632146399692292097 https://twitter.com/bobehayes/status/1632146399692292097 Gary Marcus: “Still haven’t heard any serious argument against this proposal.” https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1632146619645988864 https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1632146619645988864 Marc Andreessen: “It worked for COVID! Seriously though. If AI really is existentially dangerous, then it can't be worked on anywhere, as the risk of a lab leak is still catastrophic. The only answer is a global authoritarian dictatorship of cosmic proportions.“ https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1632231156807786496 https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1632231156807786496 and https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1632235642691411970 https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1632235642691411970 Loki: “There are only two answers: either everyone needs to chill-out and admit it's not really that dangerous or the PRC needs to have their computing power involuntarily reduced via any means.” https://twitter.com/LokiJulianus/status/1632237941555691522 https://twitter.com/LokiJulianus/status/1632237941555691522 Marc: “Yes. A lot of places in the world are going to have to be glassed.” https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1632238233403936768 https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1632238233403936768 So, yeah, as suspected, it’s a reductio of the “AI safety requires an authoritarian government response” position. He’s not saying nuke China’s server farms, he’s actually warning that authoritarian government solutions for AI safety are going to end up nuking China’s server farms. So assuming you think glassing China is bad, you’re actually agreeing with Marc, making this a sincere case of The Worst Person You Know Just Made a Great Point: https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/ https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-kno...
- fspeech 4y ago
  "he’s actually warning that authoritarian government solutions for AI safety are going to end up nuking China’s server farms." He's saying that is what it takes for the policy to succeed. It's obviously absurd (to initiate a nuclear attack over someone's AI policy), which leads one to question the premise of technology control.

by fwlr 4y ago

fwlr 4y ago

Yep, seems like that’s exactly it. Bob Hayes, quoting Gary Marcus: "It’s time for government to consider frameworks that allow for AI research under ... ethical standards and safety, while considering a pause on the widespread public dissemination of... AI technologies." https://twitter.com/bobehayes/status/1632146399692292097 https://twitter.com/bobehayes/status/1632146399692292097 Gary Marcus: “Still haven’t heard any serious argument against this proposal.” https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1632146619645988864 https://twitter.com/GaryMarcus/status/1632146619645988864 Marc Andreessen: “It worked for COVID! Seriously though. If AI really is existentially dangerous, then it can't be worked on anywhere, as the risk of a lab leak is still catastrophic. The only answer is a global authoritarian dictatorship of cosmic proportions.“ https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1632231156807786496 https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1632231156807786496 and https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1632235642691411970 https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1632235642691411970 Loki: “There are only two answers: either everyone needs to chill-out and admit it's not really that dangerous or the PRC needs to have their computing power involuntarily reduced via any means.” https://twitter.com/LokiJulianus/status/1632237941555691522 https://twitter.com/LokiJulianus/status/1632237941555691522 Marc: “Yes. A lot of places in the world are going to have to be glassed.” https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1632238233403936768 https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1632238233403936768 So, yeah, as suspected, it’s a reductio of the “AI safety requires an authoritarian government response” position. He’s not saying nuke China’s server farms, he’s actually warning that authoritarian government solutions for AI safety are going to end up nuking China’s server farms. So assuming you think glassing China is bad, you’re actually agreeing with Marc, making this a sincere case of The Worst Person You Know Just Made a Great Point: https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/ https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-kno...

fspeech 4y ago
"he’s actually warning that authoritarian government solutions for AI safety are going to end up nuking China’s server farms." He's saying that is what it takes for the policy to succeed. It's obviously absurd (to initiate a nuclear attack over someone's AI policy), which leads one to question the premise of technology control.