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This is outright propaganda. There’s gas based chemical attacks happening and we have mx brains over here saying it’s mass hysteria.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> gas based chemical attacks happening What is the evidence? I’m seriously asking, because this whole things looks likely to be ignored if evidence is being suppressed.
- aaomidi 4y ago
  There are a few telegram channels that report what's going on the street. They're effectively Iran's eye-witness news: - https://t.me/VahidOnline https://t.me/VahidOnline (Even won an award) - https://t.me/mamlekate https://t.me/mamlekate Hundreds of people have reported that they have smelt vanilla-like smell, which is a classic smell in various chemical attack agents. It's outright absurd to call this an event of mass hysteria, and I'm not really sure how anyone is even getting the evidence to call it that. The person being quoted in that article literally worked for the Iranian government. They're not a trust worthy source, where it's looking more and more like this is happening with the blessing of the state (the scale, and lack of action by officials)
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > are a few telegram channels that report what's going on the street Someone needs to work to compile this into a credible report. (Rando Telegrams aren’t that.) Gas attacks raise questions, such as how adults in the vicinity weren’t impacted.
boomboomsubban 4y ago
The linked article says mass hysteria is a possible cause, why is discussing it "outright propaganda?"
- aaomidi 4y ago
  > Jamileh Kadivar, a prominent former reformist lawmaker at Tehran’s Ettelaat newspaper. This person is not a trustworthy source of information. They've worked for the Iranian government.
  - boomboomsubban 4y ago
    They're also the source for it being a terrorist attack. Is discussing that outright propaganda? As long as no direct cause is found, mass hysteria is a possibility. And while it's certainly possible there's a massive government cover-up, it's also possible there's nothing to cover-up.
    - Loquebantur 4y ago
      Again, "mass hysteria" is no real phenomenon. Rather, it is a pseudo-scientific "explanation", bereft of logic and factual evidence. People are confabulating a diagnosis here, based upon next to no information. Would you want them to be your physician?
      - boomboomsubban 4y ago
        We see easily verifiable cases of mass hysteria regularly. How many people do you think went to the hospital complaining of COVID-19 like symptoms and upon inspection no illness was found? The only difference between that and mass hysteria is there was an actual disease affecting others. I wouldn't want somebody without a medical degree to be my doctor, but I'd have no strong objection to random people privately discussing what they thought my disease was based on an anonymous report of the symptoms.
        Loquebantur 4y ago
        No, these are explictly not "verifiable cases". Hypochondria is a thing. Triggering many with hpochondria is possible. But they won't all be in one class of the same school. If you have half of all girls in a class hospitalized, it's downright ridiculous to claim hypochondria as the cause.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> gas based chemical attacks happening What is the evidence? I’m seriously asking, because this whole things looks likely to be ignored if evidence is being suppressed.

aaomidi 4y ago
There are a few telegram channels that report what's going on the street. They're effectively Iran's eye-witness news: - https://t.me/VahidOnline https://t.me/VahidOnline (Even won an award) - https://t.me/mamlekate https://t.me/mamlekate Hundreds of people have reported that they have smelt vanilla-like smell, which is a classic smell in various chemical attack agents. It's outright absurd to call this an event of mass hysteria, and I'm not really sure how anyone is even getting the evidence to call it that. The person being quoted in that article literally worked for the Iranian government. They're not a trust worthy source, where it's looking more and more like this is happening with the blessing of the state (the scale, and lack of action by officials)
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > are a few telegram channels that report what's going on the street Someone needs to work to compile this into a credible report. (Rando Telegrams aren’t that.) Gas attacks raise questions, such as how adults in the vicinity weren’t impacted.

boomboomsubban 4y ago

The linked article says mass hysteria is a possible cause, why is discussing it "outright propaganda?"

aaomidi 4y ago
> Jamileh Kadivar, a prominent former reformist lawmaker at Tehran’s Ettelaat newspaper. This person is not a trustworthy source of information. They've worked for the Iranian government.
- boomboomsubban 4y ago
  They're also the source for it being a terrorist attack. Is discussing that outright propaganda? As long as no direct cause is found, mass hysteria is a possibility. And while it's certainly possible there's a massive government cover-up, it's also possible there's nothing to cover-up.
  - Loquebantur 4y ago
    Again, "mass hysteria" is no real phenomenon. Rather, it is a pseudo-scientific "explanation", bereft of logic and factual evidence. People are confabulating a diagnosis here, based upon next to no information. Would you want them to be your physician?
    - boomboomsubban 4y ago
      We see easily verifiable cases of mass hysteria regularly. How many people do you think went to the hospital complaining of COVID-19 like symptoms and upon inspection no illness was found? The only difference between that and mass hysteria is there was an actual disease affecting others. I wouldn't want somebody without a medical degree to be my doctor, but I'd have no strong objection to random people privately discussing what they thought my disease was based on an anonymous report of the symptoms.
      - Loquebantur 4y ago
        No, these are explictly not "verifiable cases". Hypochondria is a thing. Triggering many with hpochondria is possible. But they won't all be in one class of the same school. If you have half of all girls in a class hospitalized, it's downright ridiculous to claim hypochondria as the cause.