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I've been seeing so many civil liberties issues and violations in recent years. Often it has been the Institute for Justice or the Innocence Project legislating

I've been seeing so many civil liberties issues and violations in recent years. Often it has been the Institute for Justice or the Innocence Project legislating these issues. The only issue I have seen the ACLU speak up on was the dispute between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard - Infamously on the side for Amber Heard. So it is extremely confusing to see the ACLU come out against this TikTok ban, which is more of a foreign policy issue than a civil rights issue. What is the point of the ACLU in modern times, if these are the lines it draws in the sand?

midoridensha 4y ago
Why would the ACLU speak up on Amber Heard's side? It seemed pretty obvious that she was the worse party there, but still it was basically a domestic dispute, not a civil liberties issue.
- ameminator 4y ago
  I honestly don't understand myself, but here's an article in the Atlantic about it [0] as well as the ACLU's take [1]. [0] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/aclu-johnny-depp-amber-heard-trial/629808/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/aclu-johnn... [1] https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/what-you-need-to-know-about-aclu-ambassadors-including-amber-heard https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/what-you-need-to-k...
- flangola7 4y ago
  An older, more powerful and wealthier man, yes I'm sure he could have done nothing wrong. Mind you the UK found him completely at fault. Only the US found her in majority of fault. The problem Amber had was she didn't fit the perfect victim stereotype people see on TV. Abused people don't always remain totally cool and collected, big surprise. Judges are (usually) able to grasp this, amateur juries less so. I dread how many thousands of women now the whole thing had a chilling effect on. Don't talk about your abuse! Even if you don't mention your abuser's name! He will still sue you and America will decide that you're the bad person in it! Freedom of speech? Hell no, not when it's one of those whiny women folk!
  - GenerocUsername 4y ago
    I found the publicized evidence fairly overwhelming in Johnys favor. Now I don't follow celebrity worship very closely, but it seemed like mainstream media was in support af Amber until very late in the process, and once Johny's evidence was public, there wasn't much of a case left... Since you seem to be in opposition of the popular opinion of this forum at least, do you have any insights you could share that clarify how Amber was the innocent victim, or is your stance more in support of women than in support of fair evidence based trials?
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  - abduhl 4y ago
    Depp was neither more powerful nor more wealthy when the US trial took place - he had already been shunned in Hollywood and his finances ruined by Heard’s defamation. I think it’s a great triumph of the American legal system that an underdog that had already lost in the court of public opinion was able to prevail legally and take back their lives from their abuser. Not to mention that the whole world now knows that Amber Heard is a filthy liar. It’s she who has set back victims, not the justice system or Depp.
- LegitShady 4y ago
  Because the aclu today is not what it once was.

midoridensha 4y ago

Why would the ACLU speak up on Amber Heard's side? It seemed pretty obvious that she was the worse party there, but still it was basically a domestic dispute, not a civil liberties issue.

ameminator 4y ago
I honestly don't understand myself, but here's an article in the Atlantic about it [0] as well as the ACLU's take [1]. [0] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/aclu-johnny-depp-amber-heard-trial/629808/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/aclu-johnn... [1] https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/what-you-need-to-know-about-aclu-ambassadors-including-amber-heard https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/what-you-need-to-k...
flangola7 4y ago
An older, more powerful and wealthier man, yes I'm sure he could have done nothing wrong. Mind you the UK found him completely at fault. Only the US found her in majority of fault. The problem Amber had was she didn't fit the perfect victim stereotype people see on TV. Abused people don't always remain totally cool and collected, big surprise. Judges are (usually) able to grasp this, amateur juries less so. I dread how many thousands of women now the whole thing had a chilling effect on. Don't talk about your abuse! Even if you don't mention your abuser's name! He will still sue you and America will decide that you're the bad person in it! Freedom of speech? Hell no, not when it's one of those whiny women folk!
- GenerocUsername 4y ago
  I found the publicized evidence fairly overwhelming in Johnys favor. Now I don't follow celebrity worship very closely, but it seemed like mainstream media was in support af Amber until very late in the process, and once Johny's evidence was public, there wasn't much of a case left... Since you seem to be in opposition of the popular opinion of this forum at least, do you have any insights you could share that clarify how Amber was the innocent victim, or is your stance more in support of women than in support of fair evidence based trials?
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- abduhl 4y ago
  Depp was neither more powerful nor more wealthy when the US trial took place - he had already been shunned in Hollywood and his finances ruined by Heard’s defamation. I think it’s a great triumph of the American legal system that an underdog that had already lost in the court of public opinion was able to prevail legally and take back their lives from their abuser. Not to mention that the whole world now knows that Amber Heard is a filthy liar. It’s she who has set back victims, not the justice system or Depp.
LegitShady 4y ago
Because the aclu today is not what it once was.