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People (including men) without full time jobs are more likely to have an illness. People (including men) without full time jobs are more likely to have a menta

People (including men) without full time jobs are more likely to have an illness. People (including men) without full time jobs are more likely to have a mental health issue (including addiction and depression). People (including men) without full time jobs … And so forth.

Jensson 4y ago
Then why don't we see this when women don't work fulltime? The divorce risk factors are very different for the genders.
- whiddershins 4y ago
  To clarify my comment I am not asserting the effect of unemployment is the same across the sexes. But merely that unemployment correlates with other negative things, and it is unclear whether any study about this is adjusting for those confounders.
- naasking 4y ago
  Men's sense of identity is much more strongly tied to their job. Losing your identity and sense of purpose is a challenging hurdle to overcome.
  - 988747 4y ago
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    - dang 4y ago
      > Women are like rats, basically Yikes, that's awful. We've banned this account for posting flamewar comments and ignoring our request to stop (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34404079 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34404079). You can't abuse HN like this. Moreover it looks like you've primarily been using HN for political/ideological battle, which is also not allowed, regardless of your politics/ideology. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
    - naasking 4y ago
      The former: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/work-is-at-the-core-of-a-mans-identity https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/work-is-at-the-co...
hwbehrens 4y ago
In the context of the article, it seems that this wording would suggest > "Both men and women without full time jobs are more likely to divorce." but this is not supported by any evidence that I could find. Indeed, it seems that unemployed (non-employed?) women are actually less likely to divorce, and that divorce rates see a linear, positive correlation with the hours worked by the female partner in male-female marriages. Of course this is a correlative and not a causative factor, and likely is confounded by e.g. social norms and economic factors, so I don't think it says much. More recent results find that divorce (inversely) correlates more strongly with economic success, which also correlates with single-income households. In any case, the available data suggests that a more nuanced opinion than "Gender doesn't matter for anything" would provide a better explanation. N.b., the data I found was either from countries with a historical patriarchal bias (e.g. Iran, Türkiye) or rather old (before 1990) so it's possible/probable that these trends have shifted over time. If so, however, they are not under active research as far as I can tell. This is not my area of expertise so I might have missed some critical keywords in my search. https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/22490/1007695.pdf#page=49 https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/2249... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jomf.12629 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jomf.12629 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/019251385006003004 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/019251385006003... https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/1008691 https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/1008691 https://jwsps.alzahra.ac.ir/article_4434.html https://jwsps.alzahra.ac.ir/article_4434.html

Jensson 4y ago

Then why don't we see this when women don't work fulltime? The divorce risk factors are very different for the genders.

whiddershins 4y ago
To clarify my comment I am not asserting the effect of unemployment is the same across the sexes. But merely that unemployment correlates with other negative things, and it is unclear whether any study about this is adjusting for those confounders.
naasking 4y ago
Men's sense of identity is much more strongly tied to their job. Losing your identity and sense of purpose is a challenging hurdle to overcome.
- 988747 4y ago
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  - dang 4y ago
    > Women are like rats, basically Yikes, that's awful. We've banned this account for posting flamewar comments and ignoring our request to stop (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34404079 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34404079). You can't abuse HN like this. Moreover it looks like you've primarily been using HN for political/ideological battle, which is also not allowed, regardless of your politics/ideology. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
  - naasking 4y ago
    The former: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/work-is-at-the-core-of-a-mans-identity https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/work-is-at-the-co...

hwbehrens 4y ago

In the context of the article, it seems that this wording would suggest > "Both men and women without full time jobs are more likely to divorce." but this is not supported by any evidence that I could find. Indeed, it seems that unemployed (non-employed?) women are actually less likely to divorce, and that divorce rates see a linear, positive correlation with the hours worked by the female partner in male-female marriages. Of course this is a correlative and not a causative factor, and likely is confounded by e.g. social norms and economic factors, so I don't think it says much. More recent results find that divorce (inversely) correlates more strongly with economic success, which also correlates with single-income households. In any case, the available data suggests that a more nuanced opinion than "Gender doesn't matter for anything" would provide a better explanation. N.b., the data I found was either from countries with a historical patriarchal bias (e.g. Iran, Türkiye) or rather old (before 1990) so it's possible/probable that these trends have shifted over time. If so, however, they are not under active research as far as I can tell. This is not my area of expertise so I might have missed some critical keywords in my search. https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/22490/1007695.pdf#page=49 https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/2249... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jomf.12629 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jomf.12629 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/019251385006003004 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/019251385006003... https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/1008691 https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/article-file/1008691 https://jwsps.alzahra.ac.ir/article_4434.html https://jwsps.alzahra.ac.ir/article_4434.html