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> But if I was ... a lower middle class kid in Iowa, I'd be pretty outraged about this. Of course, no one cares about these kids (least of all the elites and t

> But if I was ... a lower middle class kid in Iowa, I'd be pretty outraged about this. Of course, no one cares about these kids (least of all the elites and their cadre), and any outrage from lower middle class Iowans is already explained away as racism (never mind that Iowa, like much of the rest of middle America, went to Obama in 2008 and 2012).

the_third_wave 4y ago
...and anyone mentioning this is voted down by the chattering class of HN. Predictable yet still disappointing.
msrenee 4y ago
What's happening to lower middle class kids in Iowa? I'm honestly just confused here. To my knowledge, they're getting decent lower middle class jobs and doing fine. Maybe going off to college and moving to the coast, probably not unless they want to leave. I don't think of that particular group of individuals as disadvantaged, at least not in the context of getting into a good college.
- throwaway894345 4y ago
  My position is that it’s an injustice if an Ivy-caliber student from a lower-middle class background is denied top educational opportunities because they don’t have the family pedigree of wealthier, more middling students. We would expect upward mobility here, we shouldn’t content ourselves with “at least they’re not getting poorer than their parents”.
- tomcam 4y ago
  Yeah Iowa is getting totally jacked in this thread.
  - msrenee 4y ago
    People on the coasts and even in the big cities in the Midwest just can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that a lot of us wouldn't be willing to live in New York City or California for all the money in the world. It's not that one lifestyle is inherently better. People have different preferences and it's pretty condescending to think that folks who live in the great plains and don't go to the big name schools are only in that situation for lack of opportunity.
    - throwaway894345 4y ago
      We’re not talking about settling in NYC or Cali, we’re talking about the opportunity to compete with rich coastal kids for positions in top schools.

the_third_wave 4y ago

...and anyone mentioning this is voted down by the chattering class of HN. Predictable yet still disappointing.

msrenee 4y ago

What's happening to lower middle class kids in Iowa? I'm honestly just confused here. To my knowledge, they're getting decent lower middle class jobs and doing fine. Maybe going off to college and moving to the coast, probably not unless they want to leave. I don't think of that particular group of individuals as disadvantaged, at least not in the context of getting into a good college.

throwaway894345 4y ago
My position is that it’s an injustice if an Ivy-caliber student from a lower-middle class background is denied top educational opportunities because they don’t have the family pedigree of wealthier, more middling students. We would expect upward mobility here, we shouldn’t content ourselves with “at least they’re not getting poorer than their parents”.
tomcam 4y ago
Yeah Iowa is getting totally jacked in this thread.
- msrenee 4y ago
  People on the coasts and even in the big cities in the Midwest just can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that a lot of us wouldn't be willing to live in New York City or California for all the money in the world. It's not that one lifestyle is inherently better. People have different preferences and it's pretty condescending to think that folks who live in the great plains and don't go to the big name schools are only in that situation for lack of opportunity.
  - throwaway894345 4y ago
    We’re not talking about settling in NYC or Cali, we’re talking about the opportunity to compete with rich coastal kids for positions in top schools.