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> The most important feature of a tool meant to support creativity is interactivity. This seems like a requirement you personally came up with that does not me

> The most important feature of a tool meant to support creativity is interactivity. This seems like a requirement you personally came up with that does not mesh with reality. Throughout history the greatest creative achievement have been made using absurdly difficult to use non-interactive mediums. Also Rust compile times are not as slow as you imagine them to be.

throw10920 4y ago
> This seems like a requirement you personally came up with that does not mesh with reality. No, it's actually pretty obvious, if you actually take a moment to think about it. Creativity is about making things in reality, which necessitates the construction of new things, which means that you either need to keep design details entirely in your head while you work (which is infeasible for many things and challenging for most things) or you need to work with a medium (paint, clay, code) as you create, which means that the medium (and tool) need to be interactive. > Throughout history the greatest creative achievement have been made using absurdly difficult to use non-interactive mediums. This is completely absurd. Most, if not all, of the classical arts have used highly interactive media. Painting? Interactive medium. Sculping? Interactive. Mechanical devices, like the steam engine and the plane? Interactive. In almost every single creative field, you get the opportunity to work with things incrementally. Unfortunately, for historical reasons (namely their C lineage), most languages are non-interactive batch-processed monstrosities which inhibit creativity, and Rust is no exception. > Also Rust compile times are not as slow as you imagine them to be. I've used Rust, and the compile times are exactly what I remember them to be - tens of minutes for large programs, and tens of seconds for incremental compiles, which is tens of seconds too long.

throw10920 4y ago

> This seems like a requirement you personally came up with that does not mesh with reality. No, it's actually pretty obvious, if you actually take a moment to think about it. Creativity is about making things in reality, which necessitates the construction of new things, which means that you either need to keep design details entirely in your head while you work (which is infeasible for many things and challenging for most things) or you need to work with a medium (paint, clay, code) as you create, which means that the medium (and tool) need to be interactive. > Throughout history the greatest creative achievement have been made using absurdly difficult to use non-interactive mediums. This is completely absurd. Most, if not all, of the classical arts have used highly interactive media. Painting? Interactive medium. Sculping? Interactive. Mechanical devices, like the steam engine and the plane? Interactive. In almost every single creative field, you get the opportunity to work with things incrementally. Unfortunately, for historical reasons (namely their C lineage), most languages are non-interactive batch-processed monstrosities which inhibit creativity, and Rust is no exception. > Also Rust compile times are not as slow as you imagine them to be. I've used Rust, and the compile times are exactly what I remember them to be - tens of minutes for large programs, and tens of seconds for incremental compiles, which is tens of seconds too long.