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I would support legislating this kind of thing everywhere. Is your water from fiji? Guess you can’t call it fiji then. Ginger ale made in bottling plants all ov
by kennywinker 4y ago
I would support legislating this kind of thing everywhere. Is your water from fiji? Guess you can’t call it fiji then. Ginger ale made in bottling plants all over the world? Then why is it called Canada Dry?
Lies to sell products are still lies.
- antiterra 4y agoFiji water is indeed from Fiji, which seems a little wasteful when there’s apparently nothing special about it otherwise.
- kennywinker 4y agoOof. That’s upsetting. Shipping water has got to be one of the least efficient things imaginable. I just assumed they were lying because it’s so common to lie about the geography of your product.
- vasco 4y agoYou're not really shipping water, you're shipping plastic bottles with marketing labels. Once you think of it like that it makes more sense. Anyone that is buying Fiji water could already have a reusable bottle and drink from the tap.
- kennywinker 4y agoWell, no, because they're shipping the weight of the water as well.
- neomech 4y agoThey probably should dehydrate it first.
- tzs 4y agoYou probably meant that as a joke...but suppose they made sure there was a trace of actual Fiji water in the bottle before they filled the bottle with local water could they legally get away with saying its from Fiji if they added "homeopathic" to the label?
- mreome 4y agoAll natural spring water. From concentrate.
- elkos 4y agoJust add water
- kupopuffs 4y agoSorry, what ? Your OP literally says they're shipping water from fiji. The value is for the label, but the logistics are still shipping the weight of a ton of water
- jfim 4y agoFiji imports more goods than it exports. As such, ships that bring goods to the islands come in full but leave without a full load. Carrying water, while it seems silly, is a use of that empty capacity.
- carlosjobim 4y agoShips spend more fuel the more weight they ship. If you ship something unnecessary, you are wasting fuel for nothing.
- jfim 4y agoThe ship has to return, empty or not. If the shipping company can recoup some of those costs (labor, fuel, insurance, etc.) by selling the otherwise empty space to someone who sells bottled island water, it's a net gain for both the shipping company and the Fijian economy.
- Symbiote 4y agoThe point, which you seem to be purposefully missing, is it's a net loss for the world.
- carlosjobim 4y agoOf course it's good for the shipping company and the water sellers. Otherwise they wouldn't do it.
- Ekaros 4y agoUnless the shipped amount is exactly the ballast... But even then the ballast and any cargo is placed differently so even that point wouldn't work.
- googlryas 4y agoFiji water tastes better than tap water almost always. Yes, I've done a blind taste test in before. No, it doesn't mean it's worth shipping water from an island across the ocean. In any case, my favorite water of all time is "El dorado springs", which happens to be sourced very close to me here in boulder, co.
- Mistletoe 4y agoThat is such an insane waste of fossil fuels to transport that all that way. Water molecules are the same everywhere and whatever tiny traces of soluble salts are in it could be added back and pass a double blind taste test. Buying bottled water is its own insanity anyway and I know the Fiji is marketing but still.
- tmountain 4y agoA conservationist once told me that if I could just do one simple thing to help the planet, it would be to avoid buying bottled water whenever possible.
- carlosjobim 4y agoHe was wrong. If you're on the go it is healthier to buy bottled water than buying soda, and the environmental impact is no different.
- aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA 4y agoUnless it’s Fiji water (as discussed).
- tmountain 4y agoSorry, let me be clear. It's better to get your water from the tap with a re-usable bottle than to buy bottled water. With a qualifier--filtered tap water if your water quality isn't great. Never mentioned soda...
- _8j50 4y agoWhat is it with this nonsense, Fiji has a peculiar taste people pay for. I don't care if they put it in a plastic or glass bottle, I will buy it. Also, they don't have to (doubt they do) bottle it in fiji. By your logic global trade itself is a waste of fossil fuels. This sort of utopian impractical thinking does more harm to the cause of reducing climate change than actual fossil fuels. Can you not transport goods with renewable energy powered ships and trucks? Can you not use glass or tin cans for bottling like some brands do? Of course you can! Yet you and others want the burden to be on consumers or the actual product people want and you're surprised when people don't give a shit about climate change.
- _8j50 4y agoAre you kidding me? Fiji is very special, it is the only water I've ever tasted that has that smooth texture. Worth every penny. If you can replicate it from elsewhere be my guest. Also, the people of fiji benefiting from this I am sure will not agree with you about it being wasteful.
- pigsty 4y agoCold brewed microplastics after a trip across the world, powered by extra virgin bunker fuel.
- _8j50 4y agoYes, not so different from just about every soda or bottled drink right? It's a miracle people are taking climate change so seriously with this basically being the talking point.
- pigsty 4y agoI think the people who complain about drinking bottled water are generally drinking less stuff from plastic bottles as a whole.
- kube-system 4y agoSoft drinks are usually bottled locally, with local water.
- kennywinker 4y agoSodas are actually usually bottled somewhere near-ish to you. There are 900 coke bottling plants globally.
- Ekaros 4y agoThe big soft-drink brands optimize for cost. And transport is really a huge part when we talk about almost entirely water as product. Actual soda fountains are fun to think, they make the stuff there on the spot from water supply, co2 and syrup... Minimising transport distance.
- MomoXenosaga 4y agoCouple of years ago I had to do some budget downsizing. Stopped buying bottled water- tap water is so good here that it made no logical sense to buy Evian anyway. Just put water in a caraf and throw it in the fridge and presto money saved.
- wirrbel 4y agoBudweiser not from Budweis / budovice the list goes on
- Nursie 4y agoThere has to be a line somewhere (I’m not saying it’s there) that allows people to say “In the style of”. I also agree that places should in general be able to protect origins in some way. A bit like the US, Australia has had issues with things like cheese. “Feta” must now be Greek, with local feta-style stuff either called “fetta” or just something like “Greek style cheese”. But there are lots of cheese styles in Greece, and the Australian cheeses are often very good (not always) exemplars of a feta style cheese. It’s very hard to see where exactly the line should be drawn.
- luckylion 4y agoHamburgers aren't from Hamburg. It's a shame!
- tmountain 4y agoWhere are they from?
- wirrbel 4y agoI actually think that the Fischbrötchen (bun with fish) that is a thing in Hamburg might have been the origin but it doesn't explain how the ground meat patty moved in really and giving the whole thing the name "hamburger" must have happened in America.
- luckylion 4y agoAllegedly the idea was brought to the US by immigrants from Hamburg, thus called Hamburger Steak, but I have no clue how accurate it is. They certainly are made everywhere though, not just (or at all? Not sure if those 12 cows that are still left in Hamburg provide enough meat for local production) in Hamburg.
- nier 4y ago
- Symbiote 4y agoThe USA has different ideas. > "‘Gruyere’ can be used to describe US cheeses, court rules" > A US appeals court has ruled that the word “gruyere” is a common label for cheese and cannot be reserved just for the kind made originally in France or Switzerland. This will cause trouble for trade deals between the EU and USA, since Europe wants to protect their regional 'brands' in a similar way to trademarks. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/04/gruyere-describe-us-cheeses-court-rules https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/04/gruyere-desc...
- kube-system 4y agoI don’t think it makes sense to make broad generalizations across product types, languages, or locale on this topic. Expectations vary with context. In some places for some things, a regional description might be interpreted by people to mean “in the style of”, and for others it may be presumed to mean “originates from”. There are ton of examples of things that would be assumed to be one or the other. Neither are a “wrong” use of language. The problem is when the descriptors are used in a way that deceives purchasers.
- ElFitz 4y agoIt’s not a matter of using the language properly; it’s a branding matter. It also isn’t just about the origin. "Gruyere", "Cantal" or "Champagne" aren’t only about where the thing is made, but also how it is made, and using what. It also isn’t just about consumers. Those who stand the most to loose from deceiving bad actors are the other producers. Like what happened with cheddar. Most people know it as a pleasant and yet tasteless plastic-encased slices of yellow whatever that they put in their burger. When it actually is a nice and tasty cheese.
- djbusby 4y agoThose cheeses are Kraft Singles, they are American Cheese - not cheddar. The real crime of those slices is calling them cheese.
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- jefftk 4y agoA picture of the Matterhorn doesn't seem like a lie to me? I wouldn't normally expect that to be an indication that something was made in the country containing that peak. There's also a thing where many regional names are used as descriptions of foods: I don't expect Neapolitan ice cream to be made in Naples, I just expect the Strawberry/Chocolate/Vanilla pattern. In general I think this tends to be a lot more controversial in Europe, with specific DPO categorizations, then in the US, where the standard is a lot more literal (ex: Americans interpret "Champagne" to be a claim about the style, while Europeans interpret it to additionally include where the product was made).
- _fat_santa 4y agoYeah I think these "swiss" rules are more applicable to higher end things like Watches, the term "swiss made" would carry zero weight if those rules were not applied because every watch maker would find a way to stick that in there. But with this, I personally never saw the swiss connection and always found the branding to stand on it's own, and the mountain was never a big part of their branding anyways, it was always the shape of the box.
- ronaldj 4y agoGrowing up Subaru had these Outback commercials with a guy that had an Australian accent. The accent plus the Outback name made me believe for my entire childhood that Subaru were Australian cars.
- dghlsakjg 4y agoHaha. I had the exact same misconception!
- gumby 4y agoAt least the Pleiades are visible from the Australia for part of the year. So your misconception could have been worse. Toyota sells a range of trucks in the USA named using North American geographical names. Perhaps it’s a Japanese thing?
- kennywinker 4y ago
- throw0101a 4y ago> Then why is it called Canada Dry? Well: > In 1890, Canadian pharmacist and chemist John J. McLaughlin of Enniskillen, Ontario (Hamlet), after working in a soda factory in Brooklyn, New York,[5] opened a carbonated water plant in Toronto.[1] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Dry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Dry
- kennywinker 4y agoSo it was ONCE canada dry, but now it's owned by an american parent company and mostly manufactured outside of canada. What's canadian about it now?
- 542458 4y agoWhere’s the line though? Most people won’t be surprised that their McDonald’s hamburger isn’t made in Hamburg or that Swiss Chalet isn’t importing chickens from Switzerland.
- kennywinker 4y agoHamburger was a noun before McDonalds came along. Swiss Chalet doesn't feel like a lie wrt to their food, because I know I'm not being teleported to Switzerland when I walk in and I know the kitchen is right there. There is no real deception happening, or if there is it's very small.
- interestica 4y agoWhat kind of food would you expect in the "Chinese Lodge" restaurant?
- kennywinker 4y agoWell it's a lodge, and every lodge i've ever been in sells burgers and fries. So I'd expect burgers, fries, and chinese food.
- brasic 4y agoWhy is naming your product after a place that evokes characteristics you’d like to emphasize a lie? It sounds like you’d like to ban marketing.
- thomasahle 4y ago> Why is naming your product after a place that evokes characteristics you’d like to emphasize a lie? Try to replace "place" by "brand" in the sentence above. In Europe _places are brands_. Sure, in the US I might want to name my product "Coca Cola chocolate" or something, because of the sweet brown characteristics I'd like to emphasize. Doesn't mean I'm allowed to.
- acheron 4y agoMy Lucky Charms weren’t made by a leprechaun?
- kennywinker 4y agoI'm sorry to say they certainly aren't from ireland, and they might not even be lucky.
- thiht 4y agoAre they charms, at least?
- sokoloff 4y agoBooks came from a Seattle-based company and not South America? Your shoes came from an Oregon company and not a Greek goddess? At some point, a brand is just a brand.
- kennywinker 4y agoSure but a product called "Amazon Fruit" or "Greek Goddess Lotion" would both be misleading wrt where they came from.
- kerng 4y agoIn the US we call Emmentaler just Swiss cheese - seems like a drastical over simplification. But I think that's what happens with distance things get more abstracted away.
- wdr1 4y agoSo much for french fries.