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Enough is enough. Why always go after FAANG? If google analytics was dissolved then some one else will take its place. Remember visa/master card are terrible.

by throwaway2056 4y ago

Enough is enough. Why always go after FAANG? If google analytics was dissolved then some one else will take its place. Remember visa/master card are terrible. Stripe is very organic and nice until it wasnt Myspace terrible until facebook came It is not as if VW or SAP or Schufa are decent. At the end all these marketing/JS/analytics devs will go to some other local company.

microtonal 4y ago
No, the outcome will be that you can't track people's behavior without consent. Which is how it should be.
matheusmoreira 4y ago
They need to stop that cycle by making exploitative surveillance capitalism illegal. Their very business model must be made illegal. Data on human beings must be a massive liability. They should be scrambling to forget everything about us the second our transactions are done. There should be no loophole, no conditions where it's acceptable, no "legitimate business need".
- cynicalsecurity 4y ago
  Realistically, it would be easier to fight for abortions rights than to ban corporate spying on users. The US is not the only country that does this and frankly the situation ine the US is way much better than in China or Russia. Good luck banning spying on users there. You might think you are not affected by them, but check if you have TikTok installed. Here you go.
  - matheusmoreira 4y ago
    > check if you have TikTok installed I don't.
nix23 4y ago
>If google analytics was dissolved then some one else will take its place. Someone that is respecting local law? >Myspace terrible until facebook came No one said that, Myspace was a huge expression of freedom in a time where not many could afford a domain-name or a server with decent connection. >It is not as if VW or SAP or Schufa are decent. It's Norway, Germany has nothing todo with it since 1945, and no they are not decent, but this is Germany's problems and not those of Norway. >At the end all these marketing/JS/analytics devs will go to some other local company. Terrible, having local company's instead of internet controlling behemoths who made it the opposite of a distributed information exchange network (you know the core idea of arpanet).
- throwaway2056 4y ago
  > Terrible, having local company's instead of internet controlling behemoths who made it the opposite of a distributed information exchange network (you know the core idea of arpanet). Please ask any local company to build such infra. Unfortunately, they dont. Or once they become big - founders sell to SV. > s Germany's problems and not those of Norway. Do you mean all Norwegian newspapers https://www.aftenposten.no/ https://www.aftenposten.no/ (local company) do not track? See ublock origin. Look at https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=no.cita https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=no.cita playstore app - see number of trackers. This is a human problem. As long as developers are ready to code this will happen.
hestefisk 4y ago
If it is made illegal, then no one can take their place. By definition.
coldtea 4y ago
>Enough is enough Yes, but about user tracking. Not about fighting it back. >Why always go after FAANG? Pareto something? You go after the one's that have the most reach, so that your action has the most effect. >If google analytics was dissolved then some one else will take its place Same as with Pablo Escobar then. So they shouldn't have stopped him? (Though in this case, we're talking about a legal corporate activity. So, after this has been made illegal, no company can just "take its place"). >Remember visa/master card are terrible. Stripe is very organic and nice until it wasnt. Myspace terrible until facebook came Even if we ignore that this is about making the activity illegal (and thus preventing someone else from coming and doing the same), this is some kind of "the devil you know" application that is totally bogus...

microtonal 4y ago

No, the outcome will be that you can't track people's behavior without consent. Which is how it should be.

matheusmoreira 4y ago

They need to stop that cycle by making exploitative surveillance capitalism illegal. Their very business model must be made illegal. Data on human beings must be a massive liability. They should be scrambling to forget everything about us the second our transactions are done. There should be no loophole, no conditions where it's acceptable, no "legitimate business need".

cynicalsecurity 4y ago
Realistically, it would be easier to fight for abortions rights than to ban corporate spying on users. The US is not the only country that does this and frankly the situation ine the US is way much better than in China or Russia. Good luck banning spying on users there. You might think you are not affected by them, but check if you have TikTok installed. Here you go.
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  > check if you have TikTok installed I don't.

nix23 4y ago

>If google analytics was dissolved then some one else will take its place. Someone that is respecting local law? >Myspace terrible until facebook came No one said that, Myspace was a huge expression of freedom in a time where not many could afford a domain-name or a server with decent connection. >It is not as if VW or SAP or Schufa are decent. It's Norway, Germany has nothing todo with it since 1945, and no they are not decent, but this is Germany's problems and not those of Norway. >At the end all these marketing/JS/analytics devs will go to some other local company. Terrible, having local company's instead of internet controlling behemoths who made it the opposite of a distributed information exchange network (you know the core idea of arpanet).

throwaway2056 4y ago
> Terrible, having local company's instead of internet controlling behemoths who made it the opposite of a distributed information exchange network (you know the core idea of arpanet). Please ask any local company to build such infra. Unfortunately, they dont. Or once they become big - founders sell to SV. > s Germany's problems and not those of Norway. Do you mean all Norwegian newspapers https://www.aftenposten.no/ https://www.aftenposten.no/ (local company) do not track? See ublock origin. Look at https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=no.cita https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=no.cita playstore app - see number of trackers. This is a human problem. As long as developers are ready to code this will happen.

hestefisk 4y ago

If it is made illegal, then no one can take their place. By definition.

coldtea 4y ago

>Enough is enough Yes, but about user tracking. Not about fighting it back. >Why always go after FAANG? Pareto something? You go after the one's that have the most reach, so that your action has the most effect. >If google analytics was dissolved then some one else will take its place Same as with Pablo Escobar then. So they shouldn't have stopped him? (Though in this case, we're talking about a legal corporate activity. So, after this has been made illegal, no company can just "take its place"). >Remember visa/master card are terrible. Stripe is very organic and nice until it wasnt. Myspace terrible until facebook came Even if we ignore that this is about making the activity illegal (and thus preventing someone else from coming and doing the same), this is some kind of "the devil you know" application that is totally bogus...