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Which part of the American government forced Putin to invade Ukraine? I presume you have some evidence of this because you sound so sure it was all planned?

macinjosh 4y ago
1. NATO which is primarily funded by the US has been pushing up closer and closer against Russia’s border. 2. US helped orchestrate the 2014 coup that overthrew a democratically elected but Russian friendly government. 3. Ukraine, being a US client state, refused to uphold the Minsk peace agreements. 4. Immediately prior to the invasion the US/Ukraine side of the proxy war escalated shelling of Russian leaning parts of Ukraine crossing known red lines. 5. Ukraine has outlawed Russian language, culture, religion, political parties, and jail those who practice them. Which we all know is how democracies function /s
- chaostheory 4y ago
  > US helped orchestrate the 2014 coup that overthrew a democratically elected but Russian friendly government. Extreme corruption and mismanagement had a much larger influence on the ‘coup’. I’m not saying that the current gov is clean, but that’s what leads to regime change. Also the election you were referring to was a complete sham, which is common with most Russian supported governments > Ukraine has outlawed Russian language, culture, religion, political parties, and jail those who practice them. This happened after the 1st invasion, and not prior to that
- throwaway6734 4y ago
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- dmitriid 4y ago
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s1artibartfast 4y ago
Nobody forced Putin to invade. However, the US government certainly signed off on pre-war decisions to extend Nato into Ukraine, paying to modernize the Ukrainian military, and Joint military exercises in the Black Sea. Not being part of these decisions, You and I can only speculate on how they fit into overall US strategy and how the risk-rewards were weighed. My concern as a US citizen is that the current war in Ukraine seems to be a great benefit for the USA in almost all regards. I am skeptical but would hope this was not a factor in the decisions leading up to the war.
- jonnybgood 4y ago
  > However, the US government certainly signed off on pre-war decisions to extend Nato into Ukraine, paying to modernize the Ukrainian military, and Joint military exercises in the Black Sea. All of this occurred after 2014. What happened in 2014? Everything that is happening in that region is due to Putin and Russia’s own actions. This is not a great benefit to the US whatsoever. It takes attention away from Asia. The US has been reaching in to its stockpiles and coffers to make sure Russia doesn’t get what it wants.
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    >What happened in 2014 A revolution in Ukraine where a pro-Russia government was removed and a pro-NATO one came to power. This is extremely relevant. >Everything that is happening in that region is due to Putin and Russia’s own actions. To be clear, I am not denying Russia's agency and aggression. Similarly, I don't think it is realistic to say that the US has made zero decisions, has zero influence, has zero power, and zero interests in the region. >This is not a great benefit to the US whatsoever. This war has imposed real costs to Russia and has a real chance of destabilizing Russia for the foreseeable future, perhaps breaking it. It is extremally cheap compared to other wars and being fought without loss of American lives. The conflict is taking nothing away from US efforts in Asia. Honest question: If you were a US military strategist, would you sacrifice Ukraine to destroy Russia? Would you sacrifice Ukraine to simply damage their military?

macinjosh 4y ago

1. NATO which is primarily funded by the US has been pushing up closer and closer against Russia’s border. 2. US helped orchestrate the 2014 coup that overthrew a democratically elected but Russian friendly government. 3. Ukraine, being a US client state, refused to uphold the Minsk peace agreements. 4. Immediately prior to the invasion the US/Ukraine side of the proxy war escalated shelling of Russian leaning parts of Ukraine crossing known red lines. 5. Ukraine has outlawed Russian language, culture, religion, political parties, and jail those who practice them. Which we all know is how democracies function /s

chaostheory 4y ago
> US helped orchestrate the 2014 coup that overthrew a democratically elected but Russian friendly government. Extreme corruption and mismanagement had a much larger influence on the ‘coup’. I’m not saying that the current gov is clean, but that’s what leads to regime change. Also the election you were referring to was a complete sham, which is common with most Russian supported governments > Ukraine has outlawed Russian language, culture, religion, political parties, and jail those who practice them. This happened after the 1st invasion, and not prior to that
throwaway6734 4y ago
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dmitriid 4y ago
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s1artibartfast 4y ago

Nobody forced Putin to invade. However, the US government certainly signed off on pre-war decisions to extend Nato into Ukraine, paying to modernize the Ukrainian military, and Joint military exercises in the Black Sea. Not being part of these decisions, You and I can only speculate on how they fit into overall US strategy and how the risk-rewards were weighed. My concern as a US citizen is that the current war in Ukraine seems to be a great benefit for the USA in almost all regards. I am skeptical but would hope this was not a factor in the decisions leading up to the war.

jonnybgood 4y ago
> However, the US government certainly signed off on pre-war decisions to extend Nato into Ukraine, paying to modernize the Ukrainian military, and Joint military exercises in the Black Sea. All of this occurred after 2014. What happened in 2014? Everything that is happening in that region is due to Putin and Russia’s own actions. This is not a great benefit to the US whatsoever. It takes attention away from Asia. The US has been reaching in to its stockpiles and coffers to make sure Russia doesn’t get what it wants.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  >What happened in 2014 A revolution in Ukraine where a pro-Russia government was removed and a pro-NATO one came to power. This is extremely relevant. >Everything that is happening in that region is due to Putin and Russia’s own actions. To be clear, I am not denying Russia's agency and aggression. Similarly, I don't think it is realistic to say that the US has made zero decisions, has zero influence, has zero power, and zero interests in the region. >This is not a great benefit to the US whatsoever. This war has imposed real costs to Russia and has a real chance of destabilizing Russia for the foreseeable future, perhaps breaking it. It is extremally cheap compared to other wars and being fought without loss of American lives. The conflict is taking nothing away from US efforts in Asia. Honest question: If you were a US military strategist, would you sacrifice Ukraine to destroy Russia? Would you sacrifice Ukraine to simply damage their military?